Create a Healthy Mindset Using BrainTap Technology with Dr. Patrick Porter - Episode 213

Dr. Patrick Porter PhD, is an award-winning author/speaker and the founder of BrainTap®, the leader in technology-enhanced meditation. Dr. Porter pioneered the use of brainwave entrainment to improve clarity, sleep & energy, and remains at the forefront of scientific research. He founded BrainTap with the goal of making this technology accessible to everyone. BrainTap offers over 1800 original audio sessions in 12 languages and serves a worldwide user base with its mobile app and headset. Dr. Porter has been featured in The Wall Street Journal, People, Entrepreneur, and on ABC, NBC, CBS as an expert in brain health & wellness, and in 2020, Dr. Porter received the IAFNR lifetime achievement award.

Dr. Porter returns to my show to update us on all the great things BrainTap has been up to.  He brings his wealth of knowledge to the table, intertwining tales of BrainTap's inception with the Silva Method's influence and my personal experiences as a testament to its transformative power. We venture into discussions on brainwave symphonies and their correlation with cognitive states, demonstrating real-life impacts from corporate giants to groundbreaking medical studies. Prepare to be immersed in a conversation that not only bolsters your brain health management toolkit but also offers a window into the subtle energies that craft our health narratives.

In this episode, we discussed so much related to a healthy mind. If there is one takeaway, it is that we must engage in practices to optimize a healthy mind, and BrainTap is one of my favourites.

Go to https://braintap.com/ to get started, or click on BrainTap, linked in these show notes.

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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:02

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Speaker 1 1:04

Today with me I have a return guest, dr Patrick Porter, the founder of BrainTap. Braintap is one of my favorite shortcuts to meditation, to getting myself into a flow state, to clearing let's just call it the clutter in my brain. It is one of my favorites, and this is a second recording with Dr Porter, just because you know there's always more new stuff to discover with BrainTap. I want to thank all of you who have purchased my essential thyroid guide. I am going to ask you a favor If you have purchased my book, to go onto Amazon and give it an honest review, because this is the way that people are just going to be able to find my book. That's how people are going to be able to find my book. That's how people are going to actually be interested in my book. I have scoured Amazon and the internet and I haven't quite found a book or a guide. I should say like this the reason this is so useful is because it touches on the key important factors to keeping your thyroid healthy. And let me tell you, my friends, the thyroid is such a critically important master gland, as they call it, so there's a lot that individuals. Even if you don't have thyroid issues, it's something that could be useful to everyone, just to keep in mind, because it's not so complicated to keep it healthy proactively. But once you already have thyroid disease, it can get pretty complex. Let me tell you from somebody who knows All you got to do is search the essential thyroid guide on any Amazon store. It's available worldwide.

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Speaker 1 4:49

And now I'm going to cut on through to this amazing interview with Dr Patrick Porter of BrainTap. Hi everyone, welcome to Sandy K Nutrition health and lifestyle queen. Today with me I have a return guest. I have Dr Patrick Porter, phd. He is an award-winning author, speaker and the founder of BrainTap, the leader in technology-enhanced meditation.

Speaker 1 5:19

Dr Porter pioneered the use of brain wave entrainment, to improve clarity, sleep and energy, and remains at the forefront of scientific research. He founded BrainTap with the goal of making this technology accessible to everyone. Braintap now offers over 1,800 original audio sessions in 12 languages and serves as a worldwide user base with its mobile app and headset. Dr Porter has been featured in the Wall Street Journal People Entrepreneur and on ABC, nbc, cbs, as an expert in brain health and wellness, and in 2020, dr Porter received the IAFNR Lifetime Achievement Award and I had Dr Patrick Porter here on my show. It was probably about a year ago and I have some tenure now with using BrainTap myself for over a year and I love it. So I welcome Dr Patrick Porter to come back. So with that, welcome Dr Porter. I'm so happy to see you again.

Speaker 1 6:34

Yeah, thank you, sandy, it's great to be here, so tell us, of course, I always start with how did you get into this type of brain meditation modality?

Speaker 2 6:48

Well, my dad was a Silva instructor the Silva method. So I grew up after 12, when my dad got help with his alcoholism through Silva, he became an instructor. So he was one of the first instructors in the country to, and he had a territory in Michigan lower Michigan so we would go around doing seminars. I was never going to do this. That's why I went to school for electronics first. But while I was going to school, when I came back home, I started working in electronics and it was more for factories and working with robots and things like that, which are nothing like the robots we have today. They're more like solenoids and things, nothing like the robots we have today. They're more like solenoids and things.

Speaker 2 7:26

But then I started playing around with the sounds, because silva has a silva sound which we now know as isochronic tone, which balances the brains and puts you into alpha. So what we wanted to do was I wanted to figure out how could we do something different, and I happened to across a company called light and sound research at an event that I was going to with my dad, which was a therapy event, and basically I thought, wow, this involves electronics and it involves meditation. And so I was hooked and I've been doing it ever since, since 86. And that's when we invented the very first portable light and sound machine. And then we've been doing it ever since, just building different ones.

Speaker 2 8:05

And I started a franchise company and then sold that in 2002 and went off and just did public speaking and things like that. And then in 2013 I decided, hey, I want to, I want to recreate the old system, because the nobody had ever upgraded the light and sound machine from the 80s. So I wanted. So I just wanted to do something different. And so I did all the research and we started to do things like put ear lights in, and we can talk about that a little bit later.

Speaker 1 8:31

Why?

Speaker 2 8:32

they're there and make it all in one unit. It used to be kind of modular, like an old stereo system. So with technology changing, I thought we need to bring this up to speed and we're always looking at improving and changing, like the brainTap itself is on version six. So instead of renaming it like I used to do the 16 different units I did before, we always would rename them with each revision. But we're just keeping it the name BrainTap so we can build some brand recognition and we're getting a lot of movement we have.

The Power of Brain Tap

Speaker 2 9:01

I mean, we're very lucky that the users of brain tap the average user uses it 28 times a month and we only have one percent of the people that will download brain tap will ever quit, so, um, so we have that one percent churn, which is really good, and so I think now's the time to just keep doing it. But I never intended back when I was younger, if you'd ask me when I was even 18 years old or 19 going to college I was going to school for electronics to work because I loved I'm kind of geeky in that way I love dealing with electronics and, you know, building things and inventing things and I just happened to be in the right place at the right time.

Speaker 1 9:36

Well, I'm, I'm definitely one of those users because now I have, I feel, because now I have, I feel I feel like I would be lost without it. Now, because I'm one of those people who has a lot of trouble with quieting the mind and I'm sure you know about different genetics and different types. Like I am one of those people that I've kind of got, I've got a it's, I have a busy mind and I used to use other things and then I kind of stopped as soon as brain tap came into the picture because I'm like, wait a minute, this is my shortcut to get my body and my brain into a state that I want to be in. So maybe describe I don't know if you have a unit there- to show when it's on.

Speaker 2 10:30

This one happens to not be charged right now I need to charge it up again. But there's lights here. There's four LEDs, those LEDs in the eyes. It's very low proteic information, if you will, for the eyes. But if you have blue eyes, we recommend you use low light at first, because the eyes bring in light into the brain. That's part of what mitochondria does, and there's more mitochondria in the eyes than any other area of the body by a square centimeter. There's more mitochondria, of course, in the brain, because it's a bigger organ than the eyes. But the eyes basically absorb and transmit light. So with the eyes closed something called photobiomodulation the light is going to be absorbed.

Speaker 2 11:11

But the real reason for the flickering light we call it frequency following response. It's actually a science you can look up and what happens is every cell of our body has mirror neurons. So our environment is always being evaluated by every cell of our body and that information is being fed into our genetic system so that every 40 seconds our genetics change. Every DNA strand changes every 40 seconds, based on our environment. So we're introducing light frequencies between 0.5 and 100 those are called earth frequencies in basically different places on the planet. For instance, we go to the water, it's 10 hertz frequency. You go to the mountains 7.8 hertz frequency. We go neara volcano going off, it's over 60 hertz frequency. So we just have to. It just depends on where we're at and that's why in that frequency, you know, when we walk in on our parents when we were younger they were arguing. You can kind of feel the, the frustration or the anger in the air or whatever, and as children we were more sensitive to it maybe than we are as adults. We kind of form this kind of buffer.

Speaker 2 12:12

But we want to get light into the brain to do the work. So we also put light in the ears. You don't see them right now, but in the ears themselves there's red and blue light. Now that's 470 nanometer and 650 nanometer light, and when they mix together it's it's it's the light that happens at sunrise and sunset, that that peaks the brain. And so we want to, we want to feed the brain.

Speaker 2 12:33

Now those light frequencies actually change because it's not only a frequency of light 470 and 650 nanometer but it pulses at all the. There's seven different no j frequencies. So those no j frequencies are pulsing and the body is responding to that with those mirror neurons, those seven frequencies. Dr no j said if those are all in in balance, then we're healthy. If any one of those are out of balance, we're not healthy.

Speaker 2 13:00

And he used to do with the auricular points in the ears. So what we're doing is we're just bathing the ear with light and pulsing it at those nausea frequencies and it's going through the meridians in the body, like you would if you were an acupuncturist. It's going to go through and it's going to clear out those areas and we can measure that with something called the neurocheck. Now, with light, that's the main thing that we do differently than any other system on Earth right now. That's the main thing that we do differently than any other system on earth right now, because no one's been able to do what we've done with with the light and sound, with the ear lights and everything, because we we have a patent pending on it.

Speaker 2 13:32

But when the um, when you synchronize the light like that, what happens is the sound is also working with that light. So between the light, the sound and the vibration, what's happening is there's isochronic tones, binaural beats, there's frequencies, like you mentioned earlier. There's there's like bright frequencies in there. There's different frequencies.

Speaker 2 13:53

It depends on what region of the brain we want to trigger, because with the earphones now we can create what's called holographic effects in the brain, so the brain can have this 360 degree kind of thing. We use 10 cycle music because of something called the nose, the mozart effect, if we can get your brain, so all these things are happening all at once and the brain is harmonizing with it, so it's like a symphony. That's why we call it a symphony of brain waves. Then, depending upon the session we want you to listen to, if we want you to wake up in the morning, we'll'll use SMR training, which is sensory motor training. This has to do with the distributor system and also engaging in the energy systems of the body to wake you up without synthetics like coffee or tea or soda or whatever you're doing.

Speaker 2 14:38

Your brain will wake up. We call it digital coffee. Then in the middle of the day, we have sessions for theta reboots, because in the middle of the day, about two o'clock, the temperature drops. This happens all over the planet. It's just something that happens to our bodies. People get tired, but what we really want is a nap. So we do a power nap with brain tap. Then at night, that light and sound will guide you into a deep state of sleep to get you more sleep. And we have studies on all of these things, things, so we can talk about those if we have time today.

Speaker 2 15:04

Yeah, but that's really the background of it, and all, all six of the sciences that we have in the brain tap headset have been proven very effective. It just depends what we did. Is we combine them all together? Uh, no one actually uses photatic light like we do. Uh, because at light and sound research, when we were all together, there were six of us we started that out and we we used something. Uh, what we did was we said why does a candle get somebody to relax? And then we realized when you're sitting in front of a candle, a fire burns at 10 hertz frequency, so the mirror neurons are matching that frequency and putting you into an alpha state, which is where you want to go, like in silva. The whole thing was get you to alpha so you could visualize and start to realize your dreams. What we found out is to get you to theta.

Speaker 2 15:53

Now there's a lot of people out there on the internet saying they get to theta all the time. I can tell you right now, without brain tap, I've only had a handful of people that have ever been able to go to theta on their own. They think they're going to theta but they're going to deep alpha but they're not going to theta because theta is such a small brainwave pattern. It's between seven and four hertz. Now there are people that do it, you know, like people that do a lot of healing and things like that. We find that they seem to have more theta activity. But most people that think they're doing it aren't. If they're not measuring it, they don't know if they're going to theta. But there's a lot of people out there claiming that. But what we found in our studies? Most people out there in the world are hanging out in a brainwave called delta.

Speaker 1 16:36

Okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 16:37

That's when they're awake and that delta brainwave basically signals that their brain wants to go to sleep and it's usually a form of inflammation or the brain is just stressed out. They want to reboot. You know, just like our brain unfortunately kind of works like the old Microsoft systems. A good reboot usually fixes everything. You know good nap. You know, yeah, good sleep, except everything.

Speaker 1 17:01

Okay, you know that's the perfect time to describe each of the brain waves, because here's a question for you. And before you do that, I have a question, because I am, you know, I consider myself a pro at brain tap. I know what I want, I know what I want to go for, I know what I need, I know which ones are my favorite. Um, actual sound waves, and okay, but a lot of times I'll go into one. I'll give you an example, one of the Dr Wayne Dyer ones. I love those, I think they're wonderful. Um, I'll go in and then I think they're usually around 30 minutes or so, and then I get out of it and I'm like, did I fall asleep? Like I felt like I fell asleep, and if I did fall asleep, is it any benefit for me?

Understanding Brain Waves for Optimal Health

Speaker 2 17:55

Yeah, you are. I mean what we did, what we do at live events typically when we're dealing with doctors. Usually we'll bring up somebody who's a little skeptical. We'll hook them up with EEG, We'll put them on a brain tap session while I'm speaking, yeah, and then we'll have their live EEG going on the screen and I'll stop every once in a while and say, OK, the brain's going to be in theta at seven minutes, the brain's going to be at alpha at 10 minutes. The brain's going to be, and they go. How do you know that? I said because anybody who sits down there, their brain is going to follow it, because our brain follows these things. It's natural. It's kind of like we get tired at night and we get energy in the morning. It's just natural to our body to do that and most of the time the people will, because we'll do it in the afternoon of a conference on the second day.

Speaker 2 18:45

So they're really tired and they'll they think they passed out, but their brain will still go through the algorithm. It takes 45 minutes to get into a deep sleep cycle, so anything in the first 45 minutes is still going to be brain training.

Speaker 1 18:54

Okay, that's what I wanted to know. Am I still doing all the good things for my brain, even though I kind of think I fell asleep? I don't know, I took a little power nap, but that's also good for the brain, even though I kind of think I fell asleep, I don't know, took a little power nap, but that's also good for the brain too, right, well?

Speaker 2 19:09

that's good. It's good to disengage, because what happened when you disengage the conscious mind? That gives the subconscious the time to work with the hippocampus and all of that. And when you do that, your brain is now able to store, categorize and organize all the memories up to that moment in the day. So now you don't have them all in a hopper. Most people wait till the end of the day to do all that storing, categorizing, and then, if you have a few drinks before you go to sleep, that doesn't even happen.

Speaker 1 19:35

You know, that's why a lot.

Speaker 2 19:37

Well they, you know our brain, that time, that first 45 minutes of sleep. That's why it's so important, whatever you do before you go to sleep to that last hour before you go to sleep, you'll probably find that you're dreaming about the things that you talked about or discussed or read. So you want to put good thoughts into your mind before sleep you know, eliminate the blues, in other words, because that's going to, that's going to put fear into your mind and you know, just negative thoughts.

Speaker 1 20:04

Right, maybe tell us what each of the brain like. What are the benefits of being in alpha, what are the benefits of being in theta and what are the benefits of delta?

Speaker 2 20:16

Sure, we'll talk about the six major brain waves that we talk about, so we'll start at the top. So gamma, which is one that's relatively new. New, most people don't know too much about it, but now, with the psilocybin and all the psychedelics coming out, it's getting more information, and what that does think of gamma as the bass drum to the brain. So, as people have, the biggest fear in the world today is dementia, right, yes.

Speaker 2 20:46

And the reason, what we find when we did our study with the women in Florida is that they had little or no gamma. So once we started training them to the 40 hertz frequency and we ours are all different, so there's not just a 40 hertz frequency, we actually go all the way up to 75 hertz frequency. We actually go all the way up to 75 hertz frequency. It just depends on what we're doing. Is we're going to rev up the brain, because if you don't have gamma, you don't have that bass drum. The rest of the brain waves will dysregulate and a dysregulated brain will be the start of dementia and Alzheimer's and also low voltage in the brain will do it. When we measure brains with EEG, like with the Wabi system or any others, they're going to measure brain voltage. We should have 10.1 volts across our frontal lobes and we've had people come in that were at three. So I mean you can think then that that's just what's going to. That means their mitochondria doesn't have enough information or energy to function. So gamma is really important that way. If you step down to beta, beta isn't a bad guy, but a lot of people get stuck in beta. It's the stress, it's what we call the reactionary mind. If you ever know anybody that says you're on my last good nerve, or they just are, you know, basically like a nervous nelly and or they have a tension deficit to some degree. They either have not enough beta uh, usually as a tension deficit or if they're hyperactivity, they have too much beta. So you know, you want, you want to have about. If you look at the brain waves and balance delta, I mean gamma should be about five percent beta. Look at the brainwaves and balance delta, I mean gamma should be about 5%, beta should be about 40%. And then when we step down to between, right after beta, there's one called SMR, sensory motor rhythm. It's a part of the alpha, it's right in the band of alpha and beta, but that's the one. As we grow older, you know, we start to lose that brain wave. It's the one that we? Um. It has to do with your vestibular system or balance. We've actually proven that if you do smr programs, you improve your balance with no exercise. Now we use something called the 60 up, which I should introduce you to dan metcalf. He has a device called the 60 up which we use in conjunction with BrainTap. Now, and people are getting out of wheelchairs. That's amazing Because when you work with the brain and the body to make that connection, your brain is designed to heal and your body is designed to move.

Speaker 2 23:19

So what's happening is a lot of people aren't moving and breathing. So if you're not moving and breathing, that SMR brainwave starts to atrophy. And that's unfortunately what happens. As we age. People become more and more sedentary and then that brainwave starts to atrophy and we don't have access to our memories, because that's the part of the brain that does that. Now, if we drop down a little bit more, there's a brainwave called alpha. Alpha is the brainwave of creativity, so we call it the intuitive mind. So you need about 30% of that alpha activity.

Speaker 1 23:53

And.

Speaker 2 23:54

I'll include SMR in that. So when you think about that intuitive mind, when you're walking around being beta conscious, you know you're reacting to things. Being beta conscious, you know you're reacting to things. Those people that have intuitive problem solving skills are probably the highest paid people on earth. Because they see a problem, they immediately come up with a solution. You know, some people see a problem and all they do is talk about the problem. They don't, they don't understand that there is a solution to a problem or it's a. You know it's a law of nature, you know there's got. If there's a, you know it's a law of nature, you know there's got to if there's a solution. So that alpha brain that's important, like playing games, socializing, being around friends. And if you don't have alpha, we found with the autism community, like people who are on the autism spectrum, they will have zero or very little alpha. Oh, wow. And so once they have alpha, we did a study with Joaquita Handy out of Orange County. Once we got the brains of the children in the study up to 23%, 90% of them started speaking. Now she's a speech pathologist, but she hadn't begun training them to speak. Wow.

Speaker 2 25:00

So that means that, like a Wi-Fi network. The information was already there, but they weren't generating the field, because these brainwaves are electrical energy that generates around our field and our National Institute of Health now calls it our biosphere. So we know that we have this at least three foot around us. Now In some books they'll tell you it can be up to 18 feet away, because they can measure heart rate variability up to 18 feet away from a person. So that means your heart, which is magnetic, your brain is electrical, your heart is magnetic. That magnetic field can extend out. So when you're around somebody you actually feel their energy. That's why people who are real sensitive, they they know like they might really like somebody or really not like somebody right away, because they feel it and they're sensitive and that's part of your heart's function.

Speaker 2 25:51

Now, when you drop down from there, there's the theta brain, the theta brainwave state. We call that the invented mind because most people only get to experience that when they go to sleep and when they wake up and when they're going through their deep cycles of sleep. But that's where, like the inventors, when they would do all their little cat naps and things like that in their laboratories and they'd come up with a problem. It's if you can get, if you can get a glimpse of that, that part of your mind. That's what they call alpha and theta hypernesia states or super memory states. So we get impressed, like if we wake up in the middle of the night because of a loud noise and we're in theta.

Speaker 2 26:30

We might remember that dream as vividly as it was real, like the room we're in right now, because the brain doesn't know the difference between real or imagined, and in the theta state it is real to the brain. I mean, we're going through the dream scenarios A lot of times. Our dreams work out our problems and then hopefully deliver to us the best possible option before we wake up and then when we drop into delta, delta is deep sleep and there really is no brain training in delta, although I see a lot of people out there trying to say that I've never seen any activity or any cortical responses happen when somebody's in delta. Delta is almost like your body's on autopilot and your consciousness wherever that goes, and we sleep, which I have no idea. You know, I don't think anybody does. We haven't found a way to tag somebody and find out where do we go when we sleep.

Speaker 2 27:18

Like, where did you go in that brain tap session. You know the. You went into the, the void, what I call between the tick and tock of the clock. You know you're in that space between time and that's where you pull the energy from. You'd be amazed at what we see in the lab. When somebody gets into those states of unconsciousness, their energy level in their body just increases. It's almost like when you're in that space. It's almost like your body absorbs energy from around you and when you're not in that space you're just projecting energy or you're using up energy like a fire consuming a log or something. And so these six brainwaves there's not one that's any more important than others but if we have more than 20% delta, we're going to feel it as a tiredness and most people are above 50% that we measure. So that means that's why they're tired at the end of the day or they're stimulating all day long with coffee and tea and chocolate.

Speaker 1 28:15

Well, with theta I have. I've interviewed some people who say that theta is the place that you want to go to to really clear out those limiting beliefs, to reprogram. Does this make sense to you, patrick?

Speaker 2 28:31

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's why we, that's why almost 90% of our sessions are theta training.

Speaker 1 28:36

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 28:38

The problem is it's very hard to do that on your own. That's why if people go to therapists or something like that, they might be able to get them into a theta state, you know, guiding them there. But to do it on your own, what happens is you're doing it yourself and then, before you know it, you're asleep. So you didn't stick around very long in that theta state because it's almost like a slippery slope or walking on a razor. You know, it's so small. It's only three like it's from seven to four hertz, so it's very difficult.

Speaker 1 29:07

But if you're doing a theta program in brain tap, it can keep you in that area.

Speaker 2 29:17

Oh yeah, keeps you there. Most of the theta sessions we start off with you're in theta for 10 minutes and then it moves up to being almost 18 minutes in theta by the time you're listening to uh 10 and 11. So we're training the brain to spend more time in theta and then what we find is that people are able to go to theta once you've been there. It's kind of like if you go to hawaii, you you could read a book about hawaii, know all about rainbows and waterfalls, but if you go there and experience the rainbows and waterfalls, then you remember them. It's much different experience. So we find that, um, I was doing a session in uh, india, with dr baroon and I told him to, you know, I said go to alpha and he did.

Speaker 2 29:59

I said go to theta and he said difficulty. So I had him do the theta training. Then I said then we did the same thing. We said go to theta. Now that he knew it, it felt like he was able to go there oh wow, he's like he's a real, he's a deep meditator.

Speaker 2 30:12

And we had a. We had a girl at, uh, quantum university once. Uh, we brought her up on stage. She we were uh, cody rawl, who's a big youtuber. We brought him out. Who's a big YouTuber, we brought him out to he's a doctor. We brought him out to do something with the muse. Oh yeah, the meditation. The muse uses little birds and tells you when you're an alpha, yeah.

Speaker 2 30:35

But the problem is they took theta out of their equation because nobody was getting there. So they were getting a lot of complaints. And so now, if you're in theta, they consider you asleep. And so now, theta, if you're in Theta, they consider you asleep. And so it's really weird. But there's an app you can get a third-party app, I should say that will track your brainwaves and the news.

Speaker 2 30:55

But when she went up on stage, she only got like eight birds in ten minutes, which is pretty sad. And so I took her out to our booth booth and I said I'm going to have you listen to alpha, then we're going to have you go back up on stage because I want to show Cody something. And so we did the, we did the session with her. She went back on the stage. She had 48 birds. He goes. How'd you do that? He goes. Well, dr Porter took me out there and had me experience alpha, and then now I'm able to know what alpha feels like, so I can get more birds. So it's like that's the problem with neurofeedback a lot of times, is they don't know what the feeling's like, but they're telling them to do it, and then when they do it, they don't know what they did.

Speaker 2 31:34

So they don't know how to mimic it when they leave. So we want people to be swimming in the soup, not just tell them about the soup or try to get them to consciously do it.

Speaker 1 31:47

Okay, the soup and or try to get them to consciously do it. Okay, experience, I have to ask. So I used to use muse a long time ago and this was when they first came out. I think it's been around for like at least eight years or more and I found it to be helpful. But now I've replaced it with both brain tap and, yeah, I'm gonna say it new calm, um, and maybe I'll ask you the difference in that what. But now I've replaced it with both brain tap and, yeah, I'm going to say it new calm, and maybe I'll ask you the difference in that what, what the differences are, because people ask me that all the time. But I use both and I stopped with the muse. But so you're saying I can actually? No, I can't put the muse on if I've got the headset for brain tap.

Speaker 2 32:22

We've done that. We've done that a lot you can. There's a third party app where you can measure brainwaves. It shows sometimes. We'll have an app showing the brainwaves and we'll have them put the muse on while they're doing brain tap and you can see the brainwaves changing while they're on the session.

Speaker 1 32:35

I would love to try that because I have a muse meditation headband. But I would love to actually know like okay, well, what's happening? I'm just, I'm a geek.

Speaker 2 32:48

That way too, patrick I like to measure and see. Yeah, there's actually a third party app. Um, I would have to find it, uh, and get it to you. If you look at third party apps from users one that measures brain waves and it'll it'll actually map the brainwaves and you can say you just want to see theta or you just want to see alpha and it'll one brainwave during the session.

Speaker 2 33:11

You'll see how it improves or changes. Or even Delta, because the Muse is a great device. It can measure a lot of things, but it's it's limited because of their software.

Speaker 1 33:22

It doesn't get you there necessarily, right it just measures what's happening.

Speaker 2 33:26

Yes, it doesn't do anything for you other than say, okay, here you got this. This app is doing this thing, and we've used it for other things too, just to measure because it's it's pretty neat, but I mean we're. We're actually developing a sleep mask right now that's going to be out in the next few months. That will the first generation will not measure brainwaves, but the second generation will, and we're going to measure sleep brainwaves and if you come out of your algorithm, once we get your best sleep algorithm, it will turn on only when you come out of that sleep pattern and put you back into it to retrain the brain to get into the deep sleep, because two-thirds of the world isn't sleeping still yeah, so we need to have solutions for sleep, and it's going to be one that wraps around the head so that you can wear it while you sleep.

Speaker 2 34:14

You don't have to worry about breaking the equipment okay, yeah yeah, we've. I'm actually here. Within the next three weeks I'm going to get my first prototypes of that. So hopefully everything works out and we can get that into production and start selling that, because and it's going to use HRV and EEG eventually. So we can measure both of those things while people are sleeping.

Speaker 1 34:37

You know, just just on the whole topic of sleep, I have to say that I feel like a lot of these sleep trackers don't? They're not that accurate for measuring all the different stages. And then on top of it, like measuring HRV. I remember, you know, I was using two different devices and one was telling me I had an HRV of like 10 and another one was telling me I had an HRV of 50 or 60. So you know, I have heard that really the most accurate is is it EEG?

Speaker 2 35:14

Well, eeg is good, but heart rate variability is what's the problem is is most of them like whoop or or BioStrap or the Rings. They're not getting the real data.

Speaker 2 35:31

In order to get real data you have to get two pieces of information and they're only getting one through. I mean one source, it's not a loop. So our NeuroCheck, which is something that I helped to create, that we get from Russia, we actually send a signal. It takes about five minutes. We're going to use that in our technology because you can do through time experience too. But what we usually do is get a five-minute collection of data 300 heartbeats and then it's going to average those 300 heartbeats and between the heartbeats is the RR function.

Speaker 2 36:04

Now we're getting, we're measuring real frequencies. What the the aura ring is doing is it's got its algorithm, so it's measuring two different ones. We're we're getting seven frequencies to get our data. Yeah, they're only using two and they're getting the low frequency and high frequency, so they're getting two that are very important. They're like the fight or flight or the pair, you know, the parasympathetic. So those are the only two they're measuring and that's why I don't know if you, if you, use the aura ring, but if you look, for many years, but I put it in a drawer in February 2022.

Speaker 1 36:41

And I never looked back because it was, honestly, it was stressing me out, cause I'm like, why is it telling me I'm like half dead, like right, Change their algorithm.

Speaker 2 36:52

I think it might've been around that time and people who were getting nineties and 85s, they went down to sixties and fifties because they teach their algorithm. Uh, we found when we did our sleep study we used the BioStrap.

Speaker 1 37:06

That's what I used to use.

Speaker 2 37:09

Yeah, it's a pretty nice one, but you don't need to wear it all the time. You just wear it when you go to sleep and when you want to track your sleep. And I tell people, don't get so obsessed with it that you can't function if you don't have it. You should know if you've had a good night's sleep. I tell people I go, how do I know I go. Did you get up in the morning and have coffee? If you did, then you probably didn't have a good night's sleep, because why would you need coffee? You're just in bed all night long.

Speaker 2 37:36

Your body should be naturally stimulated and energized. So they're using a synthetic to engage their brain and the brain will always defer if possible because it wants to save energy. So if you want to build your energy, you've got to push it. It's like working out. You know the first two or three weeks of working out people are like, oh, I don't know if I want to go. But by the third or fourth week you're like you're getting up and wanting to go because your body's going. Hey, I love the way those neurochemicals make me feel when I'm working out and I feel good.

Speaker 2 38:06

And when you eat, well, the same thing. You know, if you're used to eating poorly, the first two or three weeks, when you change, your taste buds are going. They're screaming, going hey, you know they've been adulterated or whatever. And then eventually they go wow. You know, like when you eat fruit and you haven't had a lot of sugar, you go wow, this fruit really has a lot of sugar in it. You know it really has a good taste to it, but if you didn't, you don't really notice it. Same thing's true with anything. You know we need to get the body to do its work and then we get the pleasures that are free. You know that we don't have to stimulate all the time or eat a bunch of chocolate and drink a lot of coffee.

Speaker 1 38:42

Yeah, no, that's excellent point. I have to get back to the whole theta thing because a lot of people like to understand well, what can it do for me in particular, and a big thing for me? Most people know I don't have a thyroid and it's been 12 years since I had my thyroid removed and I 100% formed a lot of limiting beliefs, knowing that the thyroid is the master gland for metabolism. So what did I hear repeatedly is programming that the thyroid? You don't have a thyroid. You're going to gain weight, you're going to get fat? Oh, wait till menopause, you're going to get even fatter. You know, like all of these programs end up in the subconscious mind. So I might consciously say to you oh no, I won't gain weight. I'm a nutritionist, I won't gain weight, I know what to do. I actually hit a wall At one point where I was you know, I'm 54 now I was entering menopause I started to have issues with blood sugar dysregulation and the thing I like about brain tap.

Speaker 1 39:55

It's not about, it's not about you going okay, tomorrow I'm going to go on a diet, because I could go on a diet tomorrow and then fail because my mindset doesn't match what I think I should do, or the subconscious doesn't match. Does this? Okay? I'm kind of rambling a little bit, but what I am going to say is that when I was using these tools, it helped prep my mind, to get into that mindset, to want to do something that's lasting and to make a difference, and it was through these tools that I changed my entire programming. Does this make sense to you, patrick?

Speaker 2 40:39

Oh, yes, yeah, definitely. I mean, some people will tell you you still have the energy signature of your thyroid. So when you think about, you're talking about you had the physical portion removed, but there's still an energy signature. You know, I've worked with so many people who've had phantom pain.

Speaker 1 40:57

Yeah.

Speaker 2 40:58

And they would feel pain in their toes. They didn't have any legs and so, you know, the brain still is processing it. So the nice thing about our body is it's pretty redundant, so it can handle different things. So you know, unfortunately, yeah, we do need our thyroid and that's, if we can have it, that's great. But there's a lot of people with dysregulated thyroids. You know that. You know that's one of the biggest issues we have, because I think of not getting enough iodine in our diet and things like that that people are experiencing. But the real deal is that our body will compensate. You know, it's just like getting your gallbladder removed, right? People can't eat as much fat and things like that.

Speaker 2 41:37

So you just have to compensate and figure out how you're going to make that work and know that you are energy. You're not this physical body. I mean, what I love is when you go to a funeral. Everybody believes that that person is somewhere else better. But you know, three weeks before the funeral, you know half the people don't believe in anything after death, you know. But when they're at a funeral because you're faced right there with somebody who's dead that you knew they were just alive. Now they're dead and you go, where are they at? You're the energy that made that body work. So you're not your thyroid, you know the you're, you're this energy system. So I think that, um, you know you you've got to probably take different care of yourself and do different things to make sure whatever the thyroid was doing you're probably compensating for it. But I mean there's, I mean I've known people that have had all sorts of things taken out and they don't seem to miss a beat. Then you see other people that get one little thing taken out and they that becomes their.

Speaker 2 42:35

You know their reason for not achieving you know the whole is that you're looking at life as a series of opportunities or a series of challenges or a series of threats. You know, we know that those people look at life as a series of threats. Their immune system down regulates, you know, if you're fearful all the time, there's a couple of negatives going on there. Number one you're going to be disappointed a lot because you're looking for it. But number two, your liver is going to keep over creating sugar, because we have 25 grams of sugar in our liver and every time we're stressed out, it pumps it out of the bloodstream and then that dysregulates the whole system because sugar is like the worst thing we can put in our body. I don't know about as a nutritionist. Have you ever known anybody to have a carbohydrate deficiency? You know I've never had. I've never known anybody that has. You know our body can pretty much make all the carbs.

Speaker 1 43:28

It can. It can make it yes, yeah, so you know people are, they eat they.

Nutrition and Brain Health Discussion

Speaker 2 43:37

they feel like they need to eat sugar and things when they're not, if they're hungry, because they need energy, but they don't realize that their body can produce that energy. And we need to provide our body with the nutrition for the brain. Right now we're more of a brain culture than we are a body culture it used to be. You know, I remember in the seventies going to visit my family in Iowa and I was training to go. I was running track for Ferris college and so I was staying in shape that summer and I went to put on my gym clothes and, you know, to go run and my uncles are going. What are you doing? I'm going for a run, they go what?

Speaker 1 44:09

are you doing that?

Speaker 2 44:09

for, you know, nobody ran in the 70s? Yeah, pretty much. And I said, well, I got to get, I got to stay in shape, I'm going to run track in college. And they said, well, if you want to get in shape, let's go out on the farm. You know, we're getting, you know, and sure that would do it, because our culture was more of a farming, you know, doing all day long, and you didn't have to work out like we do now.

Speaker 2 44:31

I mean my family, most of them lived into their 80s and 90s, all. I don't remember anyone having dementia when I was growing up not one family member. We have big families. We're catholic, you know. So big family members, I mean I remember my uncle, 98 years old, sitting playing cards with us and thinking this guy's ancient and he's really smart. You know he's keeping score and doing his thing. And I'm thinking my grandma was 93 and, you know, didn't understand why we're eating healthy, you know, and I'm like she thought it was crazy that we were drinking protein drinks and things like that, but she didn't grow up in the same environment. Nowadays our food isn't the same.

Speaker 2 45:10

We're not growing our own food. We're not, things aren't right and our brain is suffering from that. Because then I tell people all the time, the number one thing for brain health is your diet. You know you can't outthink a bad diet. You know you have to keep your brain healthy because that's the fuel that drives the engine. I mean, if you had a Lamborghini, you wouldn't put cheap gas in it. You know you hopefully put the best gas possible so that that Lamborghini can run right. You have a Lamborghini in your body and people will put just anything in it that they feel is available.

Speaker 1 45:42

Yeah, that's so true. My dad is going to be 87 in April and I was actually just posting about how my mom brought over cabbage rolls and they still ferment their own cabbage. They do it themselves and you know they're farm people, like they grew up in Eastern European culture. You know farm people and they don't necessarily analyze everything that they eat, patrick, but they eat whole, real foods and they cook at home. So, meaning, you know my mom's not going to go, oh, that's rice. That's. That's too many carbohydrates for me, I can't eat that. You know my mom's not going to go oh, that's rice. That's too many carbohydrates for me, I can't eat that you know. But it's more about. You know they are used to cooking. I don't think our culture nowadays supports that. I have kids that are older and I'm like, can you just like cook a meal please, like make it real, instead of running over to McDonald's for whatever that garbage might be. So I.

Speaker 2 46:53

When we have to have restaurants that say farm to table, there's a problem.

Speaker 1 46:57

It should all be farm to table. Yeah, yes, but you know what, Patrick? Okay, you're talking about the 70s. I was born in 1970. So back then, even still, and we were talking about this, like you. Okay, you're talking about the 70s, I was born in 1970. So back then, even still, and we were talking about this, like you know, we're talking about fuel for the brain, Even fast food. First of all, there wasn't a McDonald's at every single straight corner when I grew up. There was one in my town and, secondly, the fast food wasn't as bad back then as it is now. Now it's all glyphosate, GMO, factory farming and all of that, so it's different.

Speaker 2 47:32

Right Now they produce the food to be transported instead of consumed. It's very different, like the apples and things we were surprised. Just the other day I got some really good tasting organic apples at Walmart. I mean they were like the best tasting apples. I said this isn't because we were at someplace. We own 88 acres here. They were turning into a resort, a healing sanctuary.

Speaker 1 47:57

Oh, I'll be there, Patrick.

Speaker 2 48:02

So the only store we have in the area is Walmart, right. So I go there and I go oh, we need to get some, some fruit. And so we got some apples and I was thinking it was going to be just this bland, no taste, because they radiate them. I go this is they must have figured out a way to keep the flavor, because they were delicious, and so I'm not sure what's going on. But that was. That was very interesting, because a lot of times they'll radiate these apples and things, or they'll wrap them in plastic, or or even you know the plastic coating they put on them oh yeah, they'll look really good in the grocery store.

Speaker 2 48:35

You'll see them and go wow, they're vibrant colors. But then you take a bite of them.

Speaker 2 48:38

It's like tasting styrofoam yeah and I think you can really taste that. And in fact I, I actually um, luckily, my, my niece went to school for um, uh, forestry and she's supposed to be telling me all the fruit trees that we can grow here, cause I wanted to put them on the property as much as we can to have our own fruit, you know, and and have a garden out there and things like that, because I think that's the um, I mean everyone should have a micro garden and things like that, because I think that's the uh, I mean everyone should have a micro garden and things like that. I believe nowadays, just because we don't get it from with now, grow lights and all the technology we have to give, put the nutrients back in, because most of the time they only put three nutrients in and our brain needs all those nutrients yes, yeah and so you know when you're eating.

Speaker 2 49:21

And then we need to be up, moving and breathing. You know if we're not moving and we need to get up and move and breathe and then do something like brain tap or mindfulness techniques whatever it is. Anything is better than nothing. A little bit of something is better than a whole lot of nothing.

Exploring Hypnosis, Visualization, and Energy

Speaker 1 49:36

I agree, and I and people ask me all the time oh my gosh, you do so much like when you already eat healthy. I'm like, well, maybe it's because the environment is not really conducive to optimizing my health. So I have to do a little bit more than I, you know, and people think I do a lot already and I'm pretty happy about that. That's okay. Let's get into hypnosis. How does hypnosis come into play? Because I know that your voice, your voice, is on a lot of those tracks and I will say it's, it's, it's hypnotizing.

Speaker 2 50:17

What's the difference, the biggest difference and I had a hypnosis franchise. That was my franchise. We had 108 locations. We didn't use the same kind of deep trance hypnosis stuff because we're using light, sound and vibration to do it. We don't need to do that anymore, so we get right into the messaging, we get right into the visualization. But it's very similar. I mean, when you look at the brain states, when we're in the lab and we look at prayer, hypnosisnosis, meditation, nlp, brain tap, once you get into that relaxed state, your brain's pretty much in the same state. It's just what are you doing there?

Speaker 2 50:53

When you think of hypnosis, if you're going to a professional hypnotist, you're going to get a very specific session back. You know which is good. You know they're going to work on your issues, they're going to help you. We don't believe in the negative style hypnosis. It's all positive psychology that I use, not negative. A lot of, unfortunately, a lot of the hypnosis is about negative and a lot of people think of it as like the stage show hypnosis, which is fun, but it's not the same. There's only 1% of the population is what we call sub-damblystics or sleepwalkers. So if someone out there is a sub-nambulistic, you would know, because you either talk or walk in your sleep during your adult life, you would probably be susceptible to a stage hypnosis session. But that doesn't mean that they're going to just believe everything. We all have protective mechanisms and the nice thing that we know about hypnosis is you would never do anything. You wouldn't do anything you wouldn't do under other persuasion techniques. You know like. You're not going to just do something crazy because somebody said it during a relaxation session and we want you to be awake, we don't want you to be in an unconscious state, you know so we might do some things. To very similar.

Speaker 2 52:03

My book Discover the Language of the Mind is a book that I wrote for therapists to teach them NLP and hypnosis, and it has my 13 core techniques in there that you can read to yourself. Now, a lot of people think I don't do hypnosis. A lot of people think I don't do NLP, a lot of people. But it's kind of a combination of all the therapies I've been through and silva, you know, through the beginning of time, and what I found was you don't need to have that deep, long trance induction and that drawn out kind of um theatrical voice that sometimes they use. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 52:39

Uh, I mean that's good for shows, but it really all we want someone to do is get into that, first get into alpha and then train them to go into theta as much as possible and then just visualize what you want, eliminate the negative and situate the positive, kind of like the song goes. You know you want to be more positive. We always give the protection You'll hear in the sessions where I say negative thoughts, concepts and beliefs will have no control over you at this or any level of the mind. That's a Silva kind of suggestion that Jose Silva came up with and it basically tells you you're in control. You get the choice to accept or reject any of these suggestions. So it's kind of like going to a business meeting. You can say, well, these are all great business suggestions I like. Or you say you know what that's bs? I don't want to use that one you can pick and choose what you want to use.

Speaker 2 53:30

But then the main thing is until you try it on, you know and that's where visualization comes in until you try it on and the brain gets to experience it, you don't know if it's going to work for you or not. And the whole thing that we teach people is it's okay to fail. That's why you'll hear in the sessions too anything worth doing well is worth doing terrible at first, so you can learn. You want to learn, adapt, improvise, learn, adapt, improvise and then store, categorize and organize all those beneficial things that you've done so they repeat themselves. You want the good habits and you want to eliminate those negative habits.

Speaker 1 54:05

What do you think about this? I'm a big believer in the energy of crystals. I believe in crystals. I think that they all harness different energies, different crystals. Sometimes I'll do a session and you have some really cool energy clearing sessions, which I love. I love those. So what you were talking about is kind of, you know, trying to shift the mindset to a more positive mindset. So sometimes I'll use like a selenite crystal and I'll put it like where my heart chakra is and then I'll do one of the energy clearing sessions and I will wake up in a better mind state. Let's face facts, like we can't I don't believe that with. I know I'm not the person who could just fake it till I make it. I very much feel what I feel and I can't be fake and you know some people go through life that way. I need to process it and it helps me process it. What do you think of that? The crystal.

Speaker 2 55:13

Add on the crystal has a vibration right, so it's it's broadcasting and everything is broadcasting a signal. That's why it's physical's in physical existence. So your mirror neurons are reacting to that crystal. They've actually done lots of studies about this. In fact, at quantum university, where I teach um with dr druin has a really cool meditation. We have him on brain tap too in the in the gamma series, where he takes a crystal and he puts it on the different energy centers and um, it's a pretty cool, pretty cool meditation. So people do that all the time.

Speaker 2 55:48

I'm not an expert at crystals, but I love them. I have them around, just as things that. I know that they all have different properties and I think that there's definitely something to it. I mean, when you look at things like feng shui, which is the ancient art of placement, you know people know that their mood changes if they have everything in a certain order in their home. If it's all in disarray, you know, then their energy won't be right, you know. But if everything's in the right order, like um, even in chinese culture, they have things they'll put in the windows and things like that, just to make the energy flow. They call it chi. Yes, so there's, this energy is real. When I was in my, I took my family to Stonehenge. It's a long story but we weren't supposed to go there. But we went there and we got in, which is, and we got it to ourselves. One night we rented Stonehenge with just my family and we got the guy took us through and did these dowsing rods with us.

Speaker 1 56:46

Oh, I've done that. I did that in Sedona, it was so cool.

Speaker 2 56:50

Yeah, there's energy rings around it, and my son, who is definitely not a believer.

Speaker 1 56:55

Yeah, that's my daughter.

Speaker 2 56:56

And so we're walking out all together in a row and everybody's rods go out and then come back in when we walk across the area. He said, yeah, he says about every 20 feet there's an. It's like energy rings around around it. And he he's like wow, there's something going on these piles of rocks that they they actually unburied in there. There's people buried in there like they're sitting position.

Speaker 2 57:22

They don't know why they did it other than than to mimic maybe spacecraft or something like that. And around there there was just a tremendous amount of energy when you walked up to it. There's just this energy blowing off these rocks and they don't know why, and it was all done through dowsing. And they said the reason that they can douse for water is there's a flow of energy off the water and so these dowsers that are sensitive with these rods can figure it out. They they call it water witching or something like that. There there are certain people that can do it. I know people that do it like through kinesiology for healing. You know that's the same thing as dowsing. I mean they're, they're using a resistance, muscle testing and things, although they might not think it's the same thing, but it's very similar.

Speaker 1 58:04

It's very similar.

Speaker 2 58:06

Using the subconscious reaction of the body.

Speaker 1 58:10

It's very similar and I love that. You did that. I did that in Sedona. I was there in August 2022, and we brought my daughter and same thing. She's like, oh God, here we go. And I actually bought some dowsing rods when I got back, and this is kind of funny because my dad came over, who I said he's almost 87. He's like, oh yeah, they used to use that to find water wisdom, right, he knew all about it.

Speaker 1 58:48

It's almost like so far this year I've had a couple of recordings and the theme is everything old is new again. But we kind of have to figure out how to get the old and make it applicable to the way that we live our lives right now, like I'm standing or sitting in front of a ring light on a computer and how am I going to make myself healthy in this environment by using some of these older tools, right, and then bringing in new, like brain tap. So, and then feng shui. You mentioned feng shui. I've been practicing feng shui for like 12 years, patrick. I love it Because and I use a lot with colors and you know the annual flying stars I feng shui my home every year. I did an episode on it. I love it. I love that you're talking about it. Okay, so let's, let's get into some of the biggest habits that people have and maybe some success stories or studies, you know, like weight loss, quitting smoking, things like that, because you do have a lot of studies behind brain tap studies behind your behind brain tap.

Health and Performance Studies With BrainTap

Speaker 2 1:00:08

Yeah, the one study we have showed that. We did a study for weight loss where we didn't tell the people we were doing a weight loss study because we didn't want to skew their results. We just wanted to find out what would happen if we could lower their stress for 10 weeks, and so we did this with a doctor in california, scott Newman, and we every person, everyone in the study there were over. I think there were 22 people in the study and we weighed them every week, which was part of his protocol as a chiropractor, and he would do that, and then he we basically measured them for for 10 weeks. We never told them that they were they were going to be losing weight. We told him that it was a he does do a health health classes, so they knew they were going to be losing weight. We told them that was a he does do a health classes, so they knew they were going to be eating healthy and things like that. But they all came back saying, wow, I'm drinking so much more water, I don't know why, and I'm giving up this and that I'm slowing down my eating, I'm making better food choices. And then the average person lost 0.8 pounds a week without focusing on weight. And when we had our review at 10 weeks, we told them what we were actually measuring, besides the other things, and we said when you lower that stress, remember every stress you encounter is 25 grams of sugar. So it's like you're eating a candy bar but you don't get to enjoy it, but your body's going through that. So if we can lower that down and we don't put that stress burden on the body, it can now mobilize the fat that's in the body for energy instead of using up the sugar that's circulating the bloodstream. Because if you can't use that one tablespoon of sugar which it can't, that's only five grams of sugar then that 20 grams has to go into the adipose tissue and nobody wants that. So that's one study.

Speaker 2 1:01:46

The other, I think, is that a lot of people out there think gosh, I'm too busy to meditate, I'm too busy to relax, I'm too busy to take a brain tap break, I'm too busy to do this. So we went to Julia Art, or Julia Art came to us first and said hey, you know I'm using brain tap. I want to know if I could use it in one of my advanced studies. And I said well, what do you do? She goes well. I do peak performance studies for Google and Microsoft.

Speaker 2 1:02:08

I'm doing a study with the top 1% of programmers. These were the top of the top and of course they did not want to give up any time. You know their money, their time is money, right, or money is time, yeah, or they probably want to think about that. And I said, well, can you give us 20 minutes a day at two o'clock in the afternoon? Just do it for a week. You know, see what happens. Well, the study lasted six weeks. By the end we had them all take um the. We had them take all the, the. Uh. They filled out the study forms, like the happiness form, the, the pittsburgh quality of sleep score, the life and happiness score. They did all of this and what we found was, if we had told them at the beginning what their depression score was, they were all clinically depressed. They were the one percenters. Really, they did not realize that they were giving up their happiness in exchange for being a one percenter.

Speaker 1 1:03:01

Wow.

Speaker 2 1:03:02

At the end of the study, we had improved their depression score almost 70 percent Wow and their happiness score improved 53 percent. Their sleep score improved 49 percent. Their productivity went up 19 percent by taking 20 minutes off. So we need brain breaks in the middle of the day. We don't need coffee breaks anymore, we need brain break. Now you can still drink coffee if you want, but that coffee is not giving you any more brain power. Caffeine will give you some, but some people drink it all day long, so they lose that effectiveness.

Speaker 2 1:03:37

I think one of our biggest studies to date that has come out of it is with sports and concussions. That has come out of it is with sports and concussions. We did a study in Michigan, in Gaylord, michigan, with Dr Ted Arkefeld, and we did a study every person during the year in 2020, so there weren't that many because it was a COVID year but during 2020 that had a concussion. We put them through the protocol and when we put them through the protocol, all it was was they all got medical treatment, so nobody didn't get treated, but at the end of the treatment they got brain tapped. That's all we did differently with the one group when they were returned to play, which means that they passed all their physicals and things like that. We then went a year later. So they had a one-year washout from the time that they got their concussion to the time they went back. A year later we went back and we scanned everyone. We we looked over all their neurological functions. The group that used brain during their recovery time were between 30 and 70 percent better than the group that didn't.

Speaker 2 1:04:45

So the quicker you can get more blood flow, circulation to the brain, get the brain back to operating at a high efficiency, the quicker it's going to heal. And the other people had more vomiting, nausea, lack of sleep, because the brain didn't get. One thing people don't understand is if you have a hematoma, which usually happens during a concussion, it's like a bruise in the brain. That blood doesn't go anywhere. Because unless you get level four sleep, where the brain gets into detoxing, or what we do with brain tap is we're going to build blood flow and circulation. Because that's what light does Red light and blue light, any light, any photag light will build vasodilation and blood flow, circulation, nitric oxide release. All of that's happening. So those are things, and then I think the study that's probably getting the most press out there, that's in bigger studies.

Speaker 2 1:05:36

There's two studies I'll talk about and then we'll move on. There's a lot of studies, but the newest study I'll actually talk about three, because one's recent. Two of them are really recent, but the one is called the Saving your Brain Study. We took women 55, 65 years old. They were all clinically diagnosed with dementia. They all had all the symptoms, everything. They all had a dysregulated brain and in six weeks we did a lot. I'm not going to go into all the details of the study it's in a book called saving your brain, but we um, we sent them back to their doctors and within uh, six weeks we had a 39 percent neuroplastic change, which means 39 percent more energy in the brain.

Speaker 2 1:06:17

They were all taken off the dementia scale as much as you can, because once you're, once you're diagnosed, they pretty much keep you diagnosed. But the doctor said they wouldn't have diagnosed them. They don't have that anymore. They had their brain speed went back to normal because usually the left hemisphere is moving slower than the right hemisphere, so the communication isn't there. So it's kind of like hearing a TV or hearing a radio station two different radio stations are not synced up. Hearing a TV or hearing a radio station, two different radio stations are not synced up. But that 39% neuroplastic change in six weeks is huge. And that's in a bigger study right now at Seminole College.

Speaker 2 1:06:53

During that same time that we started that study, we started a nurse's study, because nurses are pretty stressed out.

Speaker 2 1:07:00

My family is a family of nurses. My grandma used to run a hospital and my aunts were nurses and they, you know, nurses get, you know they're running their long hours and they get flipped from shift to shift and we showed a drastic improvement in sleep scores, in depression scores and basically energy levels by them doing one brain tap session during their shift each day. And then the last study that I'll talk about, which actually I was part of a team at Ames, Bhopal, which is the All-Indian Institute of Medical Sciences. They actually did a study where we showed that through pranayama breathing you could get the frontal lobe to match and reverse dementia, just like we do with brain tap. So we're always trying to look at how can we take ancient traditions and make modern technology out of it. And that got us researchers of the year. The whole team got a plaque and a citation from the government saying hey, because of NeuroCheck, because we can measure the nervous system pre and post and show what's going on, and they're using it a lot with Ayurvedic medicine now.

Speaker 1 1:08:14

That's amazing. That's amazing. So I have to ask you you mentioned the concussion. Okay, the study that you mentioned was about having a concussion more recently and recovering, but I wonder if it would help. I'm sure it would help with individuals who have had past concussions as well, because it's like you said, you're giving your brain that break said you're, you're, you're giving your brain that break.

Speaker 2 1:08:50

There's a study that that was done with um low level light therapy and um ptsd for veterans and they have a. They showed that within uh six weeks um a hematoma or this blood that was coagulated in the brain, it reduced down 30 percent in six weeks. So and that it all has to do with the blood flow circulation.

Speaker 2 1:09:07

Blood flow yeah, and getting blood flow in and getting anywhere. There's a blood vessel, there's a lymphatic vessel they call it in the brain, the glial lymphomic system, which is just recent, I mean since 2015,. They didn't know about it before then because they never measured the blood flow or circulation in the brain while somebody was sleeping, until all these sleep issues were having that.

Speaker 1 1:09:29

And then the last thing I just want to point out, because I know we're just over an hour, which is fine, but the lasting effects. So ideally you want to have this as part of your routine, but if you do a lot of work with brain tap and then you stop for a while, it's not like your brain is going to just completely go back to where it was.

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Speaker 2 1:09:55

No, that group I was talking about with the concussion study. They never used brain tap for a year. They only used it during their therapy and then a year later. Now obviously stress happens all the time so yes, in peak performance.

Speaker 2 1:10:10

A lot of the biohackers out there, almost every major biohacker. If you go to their facebook pages or instagram pages, you're going to see a brain tap picture because they all realize what it does for their sleep scores and sleep is really your superpower, you know. So if you can get deep sleep, you're going to heal faster. You're going to have they all realize what it does for their sleep scores and sleep is really your superpower. So if you can get deep sleep, you're going to heal faster. You're going to have better memory, concentration, focus. Everything you do. So that's the number one thing that BrainTap helps with is sleep. So they're using it a lot for just sleep control. Plus, it's a way to hack. You can do it yourself, like some people will do meditation for an hour and that's fine, but if you measure, what are you really doing? How much of that hour is actually training?

Speaker 2 1:10:52

Yeah, how much is using and daydreaming and doing your thing, and how much of it is getting to theta or getting to gamma. We can get you there in 10 minutes. You know or less you know. So if you're looking to optimize your time, energy and effort, then that's why brain taps there.

Speaker 1 1:11:09

Okay, quickly, I have to ask, because so many people ask me this question what's the difference between brain tap and new calm? Because many people use both. Many people just want to understand the difference.

Speaker 2 1:11:23

Well, new calm is good. I mean, it's one of the validated sciences. It used to be something different than it is today and they're still using a lot of the same marketing. It used to be an electro stem product, which means it would send electrical current across the brain, but that got re-regulated and now all they do is they do binaural beats, so they're using one of the six programs we use in BrainCat, so it's really like a light version of what we do. I really love the fact they say they're the only science-based neural program. You know we've been doing it since the 80s. They didn't even exist when I started doing this, but binaural beats were actually engineered in the 1800s. Started doing this, but binaural beats were actually engineered in the in the 1800s, uh, so nothing.

Speaker 2 1:12:09

I didn't create any of the science other than the algorithm that goes the mixture. It's kind of like making alfredo you can go to six restaurants and five can be terrible and one can be good or they. You know it's. There are only three ingredients. So with with what they're doing, it's one ingredient and it's good, and they have music so you can get relaxed, and they block out the light, so you get that, but they don't have the photo.

Speaker 2 1:12:33

When you close your eyes to meditate and I challenge anybody out there that has EEG, because this happens every time in the lab when you have somebody close their eyes to meditate, without poteic stimulation, 30 percent or more of your brain is going to go to sleep. So if you want to do brain training, you want your whole brain to stay awake. You don't want to. When you're working out your legs, you don't want your arms to fall asleep. But that's what's happening with the brain. Because the brain is an energy hog. It's using up a lot of energy. So a lot of times people use news and things like that or to measure their brainwaves, and NuCalm could be something they might use when they go to sleep, because they don't want a lot of stimulus.

Speaker 2 1:13:11

You know, if you're the kind of person that. But the stimulus is training. The brain learns under stressful conditions. Even though brain tap is a stressful, that's positive, you know, it's kind of like playing a game. The brain likes to follow frequencies, it likes to follow patterns. So it's a pleasurable experience, but it's still stressful, you know, and some people have to start with just the app no light, because the light will overstimulate some people.

Speaker 1 1:13:38

Right, right. And then, speaking of sleep, there's probably certain programs that are better to do when you are winding down. You maybe don't want to do certain stimulating programs. Let's say at you know whatever 5 o'clock, I don't know Like when do you do?

Speaker 2 1:13:58

Because I personally choose we have sessions that if they say AM on them or they're SMR, we don't recommend doing those after three o'clock in the afternoon. It would be like some people can't drink coffee after three or they're up all night.

Speaker 1 1:14:13

So they actually say that, Patrick.

Speaker 2 1:14:16

It'll say it in our frequently asked questions that we have. So those are. Those are morning sessions, that's why they say AM. And then we have PM sessions or our SleepRx program. Those are designed to take you to Delta, drop you off All the others. They can be used anytime you want, you know. So there's very specific sessions for AM that trigger cortisol, norepinephrine.

Speaker 1 1:14:42

Ah, okay.

Speaker 2 1:14:44

And then there's the sleep ones that are going to trigger you to go into a deep state of delta.

Speaker 1 1:14:49

And then there's in between.

Speaker 2 1:14:50

Yeah, and then the theta reboots. People can listen to them before they go to sleep or when they wake up, because they're going to give you the most of them will give you the option hey, if you're listening to the time of sleep, just go to sleep.

Speaker 1 1:15:01

Yes.

Speaker 2 1:15:06

Wake up. You just wake up because you're. You're right there on the threshold, but they're not the delta ones, don't bring you back. They basically drop you off in delta and do not bring you back to awaken state in the the am sessions, bring you back into beta and they they're triggering at the end. That's why they're going so fast. The light is because it's triggering that, uh, kind of triggering the cortisol in the, in the neuroprinephrine and all those things. The brain is reacting to it very cool, very cool.

Speaker 1 1:15:31

Okay, is there anything that we didn't talk about that you would like to add?

Speaker 2 1:15:36

no, I think, just try it out for yourself. The biggest test is to do it for yourself. Do it just. You download. I'm sure you're going to share your link. If you download the app, even without the headset, you should feel a benefit within 14 days. If not, you can go on and cancel that. I would not pay anything. Yeah, so when you share your link, you can go there and get a 14 day trial. Do it.

Speaker 2 1:16:00

There's a, there's a quick start there. I recommend everybody start with a quick start Dedicate. You know, just wake up 10 minutes early in the morning, do the 10 minute. You'll wake up with more energy At night. You don't have to worry about it, just start it and go to sleep and then in the middle of the day, just pick a time during the day and do that for the next 13 days. And some people, what we tell them is do it for nine days, take two days off, then do it again and you'll really feel the difference, because then you'll feel what happens when you have a couple of days off from doing it. You'll really feel what happens, because the effect is about 72 hours of a brain jam session.

Speaker 1 1:16:37

Yeah, no, I, like I said I love it, I use it regularly, I try to get do a little session every day. And the other thing I will say just from personal experience, I like to use brain tap to kind of match with my own goals, whether they be personal, whether they be work related, whether they be. You know, I want to. That's my best way to describe like, where do you start? Because sometimes people I know you have a start here, but sometimes people want to explore the sessions and they want to see what's there. So what are your goals? I think BrainTap can meet you there.

Speaker 2 1:17:19

Yeah, we also have outcomes now, so they can go in and they can say here's my outcomes and it will give them a suggestions of what to listen to. We're always adding now, so they can go in and they can say here's my outcomes and it will give them suggestions of what to listen to.

Speaker 1 1:17:28

We're always adding those.

Speaker 2 1:17:29

One of the things that they can look forward to is people like yourself can add your playlist to it. We're working on that. So if you have followers that are going hey, I wonder what Sandy's listening to they can go see your playlist and choose those.

Speaker 2 1:17:44

That's something we're doing too, to like with some of our athletes and things like that. Like I don't know if Tom Brady will do it, but I mean people like that that use the brain tap. If they would share their social media, then to our social. We're going to have a social site of brain tap app and then they'll be able to see hey, that's what they listened to today or whatever. Oh, a brain tap app and then they'll be able to see hey, that's what they listened to today or whatever.

Speaker 1 1:18:08

They're listening to something private, they're not going to share it, but if they, because you can also work on your relationships, your sexuality and all of those things with brain tap we have different authors that do those things, yeah, and and I get people who ask me all the time cause I'll do like a little screenshot of what I was listening to and then tag you guys and they'll be like, oh, what's that one called? Or you showed something and they want to know which one it is, because they know I'm into all of the. You know, I'm always looking to grow as a person and using different modalities like this, really, I think, help you to do that. So, all right, where can we find you? Is it braintapcom? Simple.

Speaker 2 1:18:50

Yep, simple like that. Or Dr DR Patrick Porter. Then go to the YouTube channel, hear more videos or watch more videos and things like that if they want to.

Speaker 1 1:18:59

And you guys are pretty active on Instagram. It's just at brain tap as well, right?

Speaker 2 1:19:04

Thank you so much On Instagram.

Speaker 1 1:19:09

Yes, you guys are always on there. Well, thank you, I really appreciate this conversation. I think we went a little deeper this time, and I love it, patrick. Such a pleasure.

Speaker 2 1:19:19

Okay, thanks for having me. I love talking to you as well, so let's make it a date for next year.

Speaker 1 1:19:38

Absolutely, absolutely. Thanks, patrick, and always remember when you rate, review, subscribe, you help to support my content and help me to keep going and bringing these conversations to you each and every week. Join me next week for a new topic, new guest, new exciting conversations to help you live your best life.