Health Freedom: Holistic Health, Global Governance and Community Empowerment with Brett Hawes - Episode 254

Important Links:

Brett's podcast episode for important details on Bill C-293:
https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/what-is-the-pandemic-agreement-really-about/id1757444094?i=1000676093290

Brett's community on Substack:
https://onwardpod.substack.com/

Join my Substack here:
https://sandykruse.substack.com/

Join the https://nhppa.org/.  Past recordings with NHPPA:

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/sandy-k-nutrition-health-lifestyle-queen/id1496677282?i=1000624846465

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/sandy-k-nutrition-health-lifestyle-queen/id1496677282?i=1000654395788

This episode focuses on health freedom, exploring its complexities in the context of evolving wellness regulations and political influences. Brett Hawes and I discuss the implications of recent legislation in Canada and the global impact, misinformation, and the necessity of building community resilience.

• Discussion on the essential role of health freedom 
• Overview of Bill C-293 and its effects on natural health products 
• Exploration of misinformation in health narratives 
• Insights from the Geneva health summit and global regulations 
• Emphasis on localism as a solution to health oversight 
• Encouragement for individuals to engage with local health issues

Brett is a holistic nutritionist and a certified functional medicine practitioner with over 20 years of clinical experience as a facilitator, an educator, a practitioner, a consultant and a supplement formulator. His podcasting career began with the show called Holistic Health Masterclass, then the Beyond Health podcast and now his new show, which is called Onward. He's worked with the Children's Health Defense Canada, the Natural Health Products Protection Association (NHPPA), the Detox Project and various health freedom networks and organizations. 

Chapters

• 0:02 Health Freedom and Wellness Activism
• 15:49 Holistic Medicine Revolutionizing Healthcare
• 31:23 Global Pandemic Misinformation and Health Authorities
• 36:10 Truth Suppression in Global Narratives
• 49:18 Global Health Funding and Influence
• 59:14 Global Health Legislation and Influence
• 1:04:32 Global Influence of Pharmaceutical Companies
• 1:14:37 Health Canada Funding and Influence
• 1:20:12 Building Local Communities for Change

Transcript

Sandy Kruse: 0:02

Hi everyone, it's me sandy Cruz of Sandy K Nutrition, health and lifestyle queen. For years now, I've been bringing to you conversations about wellness from experts from all over the world, whether it be suggestions and how you can age better, suggestions in how you can age better, biohacking, alternative wellness these are conversations to help you live your best life. I want to live a long, healthy and vibrant life, never mind all those stigmas that, as we reach midlife and beyond, we're just going to shrivel up and die with some horrible disease. Always remember balanced living works. I really look forward to this season. Hi everyone, welcome to Sandy K Nutrition, health and Lifestyle Queen.

Sandy Kruse: 1:04

Today with me, I have a return guest. His name is Brett Hawes and Brett is coming to talk to us all about health freedom. He's going to speak to it from a global perspective. Most of you who have heard my recordings with Brett I've recorded with him twice prior to this with the NHPPA, an organization that is really doing so much as it relates to keeping our natural health products affordable, accessible, available. I will link the two episodes I recorded prior to this one with Brett and with the NHPPA. Also in the show notes I will have one of Brett's podcast recordings, and this one was all about bill C-293. It's really important that everybody understands what this bill is about because then you'll get a really clear picture of what's really happening with health freedom in Canada and globally.

Sandy Kruse: 2:16

A couple of announcements I am starting a new podcast. It's called think about it. It is going to be a short form podcast, all about wellness topics each week, maybe even a few times a week, I haven't decided. I've recorded numerous episodes already, but each episode will have a health topic that I will cover between 6 and 16 minutes and each week I'm going to cover off from my perspective what's real in wellness and just things for you to think about. One of the things that my monkey brain does is I research a ton and I am really entrenched in this wellness community. Most of you have noticed I've dropped the biohacking term or label off of my brand because I've seen a lot of things that I really don't resonate with.

Sandy Kruse: 3:19

So my job is in this podcast is not to be like a whistleblower but more or less to have you think about things from a different perspective, more from the inside perspective, about all these topics and wellness, because let's face facts, things are really crowded in this space of alternative health, functional medicine, alternative wellness, diet, nutrition, all of these things. It's become so crowded from, you know, the last eight years, when I started back eight years ago, on this Instagram, in this Instagram world, and I think it's getting very confusing for many people who are not in it. They don't realize that a lot of the things are just bought. A lot of these experts that you hear are paying to be called experts. There's a lot going on, and so my job in this podcast is just to have you think about it. Just think about it. I'm not telling you how to think and, like I always say, your mind is your mind, your body is your body and we are all bio-individual. But often I feel there's a lack of integrity in this world of wellness, and the world is changing where it's not about who gets the most airtime on social media, it's about who resonates with you and who is really showing up authentically with integrity.

Sandy Kruse: 4:55

So the only way for now that you're going to get access to this new podcast will be through my Substack. Join me there sandykruse. substack. com, s-a-n-d-y-k-r-u-s-esubstack, s-u-b-s-t-a-c-kcom, and you can also find it in the show notes. Also, be sure to follow me on all of my social media channels, sandy K Nutrition, everywhere. I am on TikTok for as long as TikTok is around. Listen, I'm Canadian, so I'm going to have access. I guess it's the Americans that are maybe SOL. We'll see what happens with that and you can follow me on Instagram. I'm most active on Instagram. I'm pretty active on Substack, so go meet me there, and I do post most of my raw videos on Rumble.

Sandy Kruse: 5:55

Youtube is really kind of pissing me off these days, telling me I'm not allowed to use words like NMN, and they actually sent me an email saying something about my feng shui episode was banned. Listen, I'm getting tired of the censorship. This is really kind of a weird world that we live in, where some are saying, yes, censorship must happen, and then there's others who are like you know what? We don't want censorship. And I'm kind of somewhere in between, and I'll explain why.

Sandy Kruse: 6:34

I think that the governing bodies on both ends of these spectrums of the wellness world and there's some issues there with integrity, as well as on the other side with Western medicine and big pharma it's like one of the things that Brett talks about in this episode. I resonate with it. So much is instead of fighting and trying to break down the other sides. Why not create just a new leg of wellness where there's passion over profit, where there is integrity and authenticity? I'm on that side, my friends. I'm on that side, and I'm not saying that Western medicine doesn't do good. I'm not saying that the alternative health side doesn't do good, but I think when we build something from new, we can build it from scratch and we can build it better.

Sandy Kruse: 7:35

Anyway, just a few thoughts. Be sure to follow and share this podcast, share it with anyone else who you feel might resonate with this. Be sure to follow Brett and the NHPPA linked in my show notes. And, just most important thing, guys, please share this episode and give it a rate and review wherever you are listening. Thanks so much, and here's the interview with Brett Hawes. Hi everyone, welcome to Sandy Kay Nutrition, health and Lifestyle Queen.

Sandy Kruse: 8:10

Today with me I have Brett Hawes and he is my special guest, and I have recorded with Brett a couple of other times. I'm really excited for this recording because it's just Brett Hawes alone. We're going to talk about a lot of great things. I'm sure that people are going to be interested in this recording and the best way to describe what Brett does is that he is passionate about both health and activism.

Sandy Kruse: 8:37

Brett is a holistic nutritionist and a certified functional medicine practitioner with over 20 years of clinical experience at a capacity as a facilitator, an educator, a practitioner, a consultant and a supplement formulator. His podcasting career began with the show called Holistic Health Masterclass, then the Beyond Health podcast and now his new show, which is called Onward. Brett dives deep into the realities of our world, including the narratives that we are fed from a health and political perspective. He's worked with the Children's Health Defense Canada, the Natural Health Products Protection Association andPPA, who I've recorded with twice as well with Brett, the Detox Project and various health freedom networks and organizations. And today Brett and I are going to be discussing the reality of health freedom, not just in Canada, but what is happening throughout the world, and I honestly cannot think of a better person to have this discussion with today. Brett and I are both Canadians I think you're. Is it South African?

Brett Hawes: 9:57

South African Canadian. Yeah, that's right.

Sandy Kruse: 9:59

South African. See, I remembered. But this is really an important topic and I'm very, very happy to be connected with you, brad, and I'm so glad to have you here today, so welcome.

Brett Hawes: 10:12

Thanks so much, sandy. It's great to be here and, yeah, we certainly find ourselves in some interesting times these days and no shortage of things to discuss. So I'm going to let you, as the host I'm on the other side of the mic today, which is nice for a change and I'm going to let you decide where you want to start and we'll kind of go from there, and I'm cool with talking about anything you want.

Sandy Kruse: 10:33

Well, I like that. I like that because I am too, but I think most of the people who are listening first want to understand your background and how you got into really more the health activism side of things.

Brett Hawes: 10:46

Yeah, yeah Well, I mean, you know, my sort of foray into the health side of things first of all was actually through spiritual, like the spiritual side of things. So it was a little bit different for me. I didn't have like these crazy health issues and then healed myself and now I want to help other people. That's not my story at all. So for me I didn't have like these crazy health issues and then healed myself and now I want to help other people. That that's not my story at all. So for me it was really a calling as a young, as a young man, to help others and sort of the vehicle presented itself right. But shortly after I got into all of that I had always known because of the spiritual side of things and growing up the way I did. I mean I grew up in apartheid. I watched the rise and fall of apartheid in high school and so I kind of grew up with this whole idea that something's not right. We inherently didn't really trust the government growing up still to this day. So I was kind of like born up, raised in that sort of culture. And then, once I started traveling around and spent enough time with more of an eclectic kind of crowd and international crowd, I started learning that, hey, a lot of the stuff that we're being told is just not actually true. Whether it's being purposely manipulated, whether it's a lie, whatever it is right. And so I kind of you know, that's the backstory there.

Brett Hawes: 12:06

But then, in terms of actually getting into the real activist side of things, it was in 2007. I was living and working pretty intensely with the First Nations group just off the Six Nations Reserve, which is outside of Hamilton, ontario, and so while I was doing that work, I mean it was a very, very crazy time spiritually for me anyway. And I read Sean Buckley's paper for the NHPPA, and this was at the time was Bill C-51. And this was the first sort of attack on natural health products that I had been sort of confronted with. Um, I know it had happened before in the late 90s and all these sorts of things, but anyway, I was lying in bed and I had this waking vision. You know, I sort of like sat up in bed and I opened my eyes and there was all these people in front of me, and then I closed my eyes and those people were still there, and so that sort of prompted me. I was, I got to get a whole bunch of people out, like we have to protest this, and together with a group of colleagues and friends, you know that all came together real quick and we got just over a thousand people out to Queen's Park in about four or five days. And so you know, that sort of thrust me into a whole different sphere. You know, to be honest with you, like I didn't know what was going to happen. But suddenly I found myself chairing a coalition at the time called the Canadian Natural Health Coalition, and suddenly got connected with a lot of old school health freedom fighters, supplement companies, lawyers like me, you name it, you know, and then that's sort of it from there. You know. So I've always I've always been outspoken about that in all of the classes that I've ever taught.

Brett Hawes: 13:46

Some people sort of raise an eyebrow and they're like well, why do you rail on the medical establishment so much? Why do you bring politics into health? And it's like you know, at the end of the day, if you don't realize that politics and health are so intricately connected, like you have a lot of learning to do, because just take a look at where we're at right now. Like you have a lot of learning to do, because just take a look at where we're at right now, you know I mean the drug companies and the foothold that they have on people, but also on the global economy. You know this is part of what has got us into the position that we're in today, you know. So yeah, and sort of from there like hey, it's been a wild ride.

Sandy Kruse: 14:24

Let's just say that, yeah, even though obviously I don't have my finger on the pulse, is that the saying? As much as you do, sure, I am. One of the things that's one of my expertise is supplements and therapeutic usage of supplements, and so it's impossible for me to not notice that these supplements that I've always recommended are being bought by massive companies that do not promote wellness. Breath, and it kind of freaks me out because I'm like, okay, well, but then I'm being told that oh, don't worry, they're still the same supplements. I'm thinking, how, how is that? How is a company that promotes really unhealthy food going to keep the same standard of supplements that were individually owned by small companies?

Brett Hawes: 15:30

Yeah, well, you know, take a look at what happened with all of the mom and pop organic food companies, right? I mean, it's the same thing. This has been going on for decades now at this point, and so I think that you know. If you just take a look at what's happening nowadays, I think what? As someone who's been in the wellness space for as long as I have right, I can tell you that there's been an astronomical change. Like it's. It's like night and day from when I started. You know, my first graduating class was 14 people and now there's graduates being pumped out hundreds, right? And what that shows me is that what's been going on over the last few years is really a paradigm shift in the healthcare field. Right, and just call it health, right? Forget about health and wellness or allopathic medicine or whatever.

Brett Hawes: 16:19

Generally speaking, the reason why what we do has become so popular is because people have started to realize that hang on a second. Like I keep going back to the doctor and they just keep prescribing me pills. They don't sit down and actually want to understand what's going on with me. I go bounce around from specialist to specialist. They don't talk to one another. You know, we're starting to see that people are waking up to the idea of compartmentalized medicine. So the rheumatologist is laser-focused on rheumatology, the immunologist is focused on that, the endocrinologist and so on and so forth. And so when you compartmentalize healthcare like that, what you have is you have a very reductionist, um, left brain kind of mechanistic type of system, and people are realizing that for the ailments and diseases that people are suffering from nowadays, um, that model is not really working for them. And so you know, I don't know about you, but I'll just say from my own experience, you know I I dealt with in my practice at a very high level, you know, I mean I help people with very chronic, very complex conditions. They were often abandoned by the medical system. They could get no results whatsoever through the allopathic system, more holistic perspective, which we're starting to see how everything is connected, um, suddenly, when you go down that road, you know running lab tests not to diagnose disease but to assess metabolic function and then restore and correct that function.

Brett Hawes: 17:54

You know, this is why functional medicine has become so popular. You know, and in the us now, um, I would actually argue that that that is becoming very quickly, uh, more of the default sort of front-end system of care. I don't want to sort of say that from a holistic perspective, but certainly you know, if people can choose their providers. A lot of people in the US are looking for doctors who are functional medicine doctors, now you know. So I think all that to say like that's where we're at right now and that doesn't come without consequences. And the consequences are that the drug companies know right, the medical system knows that there's more. They're losing customers let's just put it that way in plain English and as they lose customers they want to hold on to that monopoly that they have. So there's only two ways you do that. You know you out-market people with a massive budget and you promote the heck out of your products, and or you buy up the competition and you monopolize everything.

Sandy Kruse: 18:54

You know how they always say whenever somebody is a threat, you try and push them down right. So then you start to alter the narratives Like you're not allowed to say that this can diagnose, cure, heal disease. You're not allowed to say this. You will get fined this. There are many ways that natural health is really being pushed down, brett to your point, when I was working with clients. I'll never forget this one situation. The client was a vegetarian and when this client went to her doctor.

Sandy Kruse: 19:42

The doctor she was extremely malnutritioned. She wasn't. As you know, if you eat a vegetarian diet, you have to be very careful to ensure that you're getting all the nutrients you need. After many, many years that can present in different issues. So this client was going through other issues, other problems. She was given an antidepressant because she told her doctor that she was ready to just kind of drive through a red light Like this is how okay.

Sandy Kruse: 20:10

So of course she did that. But then she's like, okay, well, maybe I need to work on my nutrition, maybe I need to figure that out. So when I worked with her and of course I'm not making any medical claims here she did whatever she did with her doctor, I don't care, I had, no, no part of that. But then I was like, okay, well, let's assess what's really going on here. And then when we assessed it, it's like, oh my god, like you are so low in just these vital nutrients, she started taking methylated b, she started taking a little bit more B12.

Sandy Kruse: 20:46

She started to take high quality nutraceuticals, and then she herself was like I don't need these antidepressants, and she now knows how to really support her wellness as a vegetarian, her wellness as a vegetarian. But that's to your point. I think more and more people are saying, hey, if I look to food as medicine and if I take the right nutraceuticals to support my lifestyle, my stage in life, maybe my genetics, then I can really age better. So I know that's an extreme case, but there are many and I get a lot of these messages from people who are like oh my God, I did this. And then it empowers them too, which I think is amazing, brett.

Brett Hawes: 21:38

Well, I think that's just it right. So you know the Latin origins for doctor is teacher, you know what I mean. So the teacher must teach the person. Like, what we have now is we have a system where people are fully dependent on their provider, who's not really offering much at all. You know, I've softened up a lot over the years, like I used to be very, very hardcore about like no drugs, drugs, no anything, you know, like like just 100 holistic, and I've kind of, like you know, smartened up a little bit as I've gotten older, because, you know, working with very, very sick people, sometimes you need drugs. Um, if you get hit by a bus, you know, don't come and see me. If you break a leg, don't come and see me.

Brett Hawes: 22:19

So I think that what we've, we've, um, we we've sort of lost, if you will, is that western medicine was born out of infectious disease. You know that that's where it came from was people were dying of infections, people were dying of broken limbs, people were dying in labor, you know stuff like that. And so, um, that's where western medicine shines. You know, in fact, like, even in more acute emergency type of situations, western medicine is fantastic, you know. So we can't throw the baby out with the bath water. But now what we have is we have a population that has been weakened, that has been made sick by the food that they eat, that has been poisoned with a variety of different toxins. We're living high stress lives, we are being exposed to too much artificial light, um screens, you know. The list goes on and on and on right. And so Western medicine, unfortunately, is not equipped to properly deal with that. You know, because if you understand from a basic level what drugs do, is drugs suppress and they cut off metabolic pathways. Right, that's really it.

Brett Hawes: 23:22

So it's like the analogy I've used for years in my classes is can you imagine if I'm driving down the road and the gas light comes on right? Well, I have a few different options. I can, you know, call a friend and be like hey, I'm stuck on the highway, can you come and help me? I can. Hopefully, if I have a jerry can of gas in the back, I can maybe top myself up and off. I go. I can maybe go. Well, you know, the light's on and it's maybe 30 clicks to the next gas station. I'm gonna wing it and hopefully I make it. But there's another option you can cut the light, okay. So if I cut the light, what that does is it tells me, it creates the illusion that I have gas in the tank meanwhile I'm running out.

Brett Hawes: 24:00

And that's what drugs do, right? Drugs create the illusion of health because in the western model, if, if you do not have symptoms, you are deemed to be healthy, and so you know, you can suppress and mask symptoms all day long and create the illusion of health, but in reality you're still breaking down and you're still degrading, and there you go. And so this is where Western medicine really falls short and this is where, on the contrary, this is where the kind of work that we do and have done really shines. You know, like Bernard Jensen, I mean almost 100 years ago, one of the most pioneering nutritionists, you know 350,000 patients in his day wrote 70 books, and he coined the phrase, he said it best. He said every single disease can be traced back to some type of nutrient deficiency and I don't know. You know, like Bernie was a smart guy, so I tend to take that with you know, some seriousness.

Sandy Kruse: 24:58

Oh well, obviously I align with that. I think you can trace it back to a nutrient deficiency and then you can look at what's the causative factor. Is it lifestyle? Is it genetics? Is it right, Exactly?

Brett Hawes: 25:19

Yeah, very distorted from the way that people have lived prior to that. You know, like prior to 100 years ago even 100 years ago for that matter people were living a lot more naturally, by default. You know what I mean Like through this process of industrialization, food preservation, you know all these types of things and I'm not saying they're all bad necessarily. You know we've had to figure things out as we've gone along, but I think that we are living very artificially these days and and quite removed from nature and it's starting to show in the health of of people. You know, I'm sure, like we might have extended life expectancy, but I would, I would argue, what is the quality of that life in your, in the second half of your life? I mean, how many people have multiple diagnosed diseases on multiple prescription medications and so on and so forth? We have an obesity problem.

Sandy Kruse: 26:12

The list goes on and on.

Brett Hawes: 26:14

Yeah, you get it.

Sandy Kruse: 26:15

I get it. I get it because I have been on my grandparents' farm. They lived off the land. I mean they did.

Sandy Kruse: 26:27

And I've had these conversations, brett, even with hormone doctors, because a lot of people will say well, why didn't my grandparents need bioidentical hormones? Well, probably because there weren't so many endocrine disruptors in the world. They were eating off the land, they were living according to their circadian rhythms, which is really important for healthy hormones. So my grandmother was 82. She died because of an accident, not because of dementia, not because of arthritis, not because of an autoimmune disease, not because of cancer, not because of anything. So you know, we can't really go backwards and there are some things that have been really incredible and advances.

Brett Hawes: 27:16

Totally.

Sandy Kruse: 27:17

How can we create a balanced life and almost get the best of both worlds?

Brett Hawes: 27:26

Yeah, well, I think that's what a lot of people are trying to do, right. So I mean, you know, like it's not like I'm living in, you know spear and loincloth out in the woods either, you know. So none of us are immune in that sense, and I think that there is a happy medium. I think we do the best with what we can, and that's partly why, you know, this space that we're in has become so popular. Yeah, so I think I'm going to leave it there, because there's a of the stuff there that's just so like off the rails. It's so extreme that you know. There is this other side to the health and wellness space, where I think people are terrified of aging and I think people don't want to get old, and, uh, you know, I think part of that is pushed on us through social media, through hollywood, through these types of things. So so you know, anyway, I'll leave that there, because that's maybe a podcast in and of itself.

Sandy Kruse: 28:28

Yeah, yeah. The whole point is really is that we need to kind of marry all facets of wellness in order to be well in this modern day life and when one of these very crucial, important aspects not one multiple, because I think there's many subcategories of natural health products when that's being pushed out, we had a problem.

Brett Hawes: 29:01

Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know. So, like, like here's the thing, right. So we're at this point now where the government keeps crying about like the health care systems broke and we've got these crazy wait times. Um, right now, like in canada what was that number? I just read it, the other, I think it's there's like 5.4 million canadians without a family doctor right now, like out of a country of 40 million people. Like that's a pretty high percentage, right? You know wait times, difficulty getting tests, all right. So if you want to go get a test from your doctor now, it's really, really difficult.

Brett Hawes: 29:38

So you know all of this tax money that's going into the healthcare system and then what they're doing is they're tightening the belt, they're trimming the fat, they're doing all these types of things to try and squeeze the profit out of that with you know, and then deliver like subpar service.

Brett Hawes: 29:54

And so you know, the irony of all of that is the one thing that so many Canadians are doing to keep themselves out of the medical system.

Brett Hawes: 30:03

To keep themselves out of the medical system, to keep themselves out of the hospital, is actually to rely on natural health products, on good food and maybe their practitioner um, whatever that is, you know, whether it's a nutritionist, uh, homeopath, uh, homeopath, or whatever you know. And and here we have the government now trying to tell us, you know that these things are, you know, need to be validated for more safety, and we need more regulations, and blah, blah, blah. So it's like, you know, at the one side of their mouth, it's like the system's broken, it's bankrupt, we need to do everything we can, and on the other side, well, this one thing that people are doing, we're just going to make it even more difficult for you to do that now. So it's, um, you know and I'll leave people to sort of wonder why that might be because it does, it presents. It's quite conflicting if you look at it that way, you know.

Sandy Kruse: 30:51

So for anybody who's listening to this, I have recorded with Brett and the NHPPA and you can go back and listen to more specifics on Canada and these bills that have been put into place very kind of sneakily.

Sandy Kruse: 31:08

I'm going to add that a lot of Canadians didn't even know that it was happening, when Canada has a really really safe nutraceutical supplement profile anyway as it is. So you can go back and, yeah, I think that maybe the pandemic stirred up a lot of this, because since then we've seen a lot of things change. Do you want to start there? I know your work went back much further, but the pandemic was an interesting time, brett, and we need to touch on it.

Brett Hawes: 31:59

Yeah, I mean, look, I think the world has changed forever. There's no going back to pre-pandemic life and whatnot. That's all changed. Some things have changed like night and day, like they're unrecognizable. Other things are changing and you know we're moving into a different time altogether now. You know we're moving into a different time altogether now. So I think you know there were a lot of things leading up to the pandemic that in hindsight now, when we look back, you go, oh my gosh, now I can see the on ramp a little bit better. But for anyone who maybe wasn't paying attention, it's like oh my gosh, they just foisted this stuff upon us, right. And so I think with natural health products particularly, there's actually a very, very long on-ramp and, um, what the pandemic really did was it gave the I'll say the the health authorities, for lack of a better word because this is a global picture, but we'll kind of keep our sites.

Brett Hawes: 32:55

Um, pointed on canada right now is, if you notice what happened in the pandemic, right, there was no talk at any point, even to this day, of anything else that you could do to support yourself during that time. So it's like hang on everyone. You know we got this big scary thing that's going on. We've never seen it before. Holy smokes, everyone. We're just trying to figure this out on the fly, but you can't do this and you can't do that and you can't do that and you can't do that.

Brett Hawes: 33:21

And you know I've done podcasts with um. I did a great podcast with rodney palmer, who's who's an award-winning um journalist. You know he worked with uh cbc, worked with global. He was. He was an international correspondent um stationed throughout the middle east and europe and uh. You know, when you speak to people like that and you say, hey, tell me, like the media side of things, that that we witnessed during the pandemic, like what's going on there, and he'll tell you straight up that that is unprecedented. Like how did we suddenly have the story where we're trying to feel our way in the dark but suddenly we've just got this unified message that's just being pumped out, 247 on every single channel. You can think of that. This is the only way out.

Brett Hawes: 34:04

And don't listen to people talking about vitamin D or zinc or quercetin or anything else. You know, now people are quite familiar with the ivermectin story. I did a story back in the day on hydroxychloroquine with Dr James Lyons-Weiler, you know. So we like I've been at the tip of the spear with a lot of this stuff and I could see right away.

Brett Hawes: 34:25

I was like there's a smear campaign, you know, with hydroxychloroquine. There was a Lancet study with 96,000, 96,000 people in a study and it turns out that there was no people at all at the end of it all. It was completely fabricated to show that hydroxychloroquine increased your, your, your death, your chances of dying by 38. So it's like, you know, when they retracted, you don't hear anything, right. So, anyway, my point in saying all of this is that what happened at that time? Was it set up the, the framework now where, hey, listen everyone, there's a whole bunch of misinformation out there. Okay, you got these crazy people talking about vitamin D, you got these crazy people talking about zinc and all this other stuff. And we, the benevolent leaders, we, the scientists, the doctors, we are the ones that actually have the answer, and anything else outside of that now is incorrect.

Sandy Kruse: 35:23

Yep.

Brett Hawes: 35:24

Despite the fact that we have an enormous amount of data on some of the things that I've touched on. You know I mean vitamin D. Even at that time I haven't even gone back and looked at it there were 75 peer-reviewed studies within the first year. You know what I mean. You've got doctors, like some of those frontline doctors who I happen to know, some of them now you can imagine. Can you imagine if you're a doctor in an ER situation? You've got this thing that you've never seen before. But you have 30 or 40 years of experience. You're going to use your best judgment and your experience to feel your way in the dark and to figure things out. And they did, and what happened? Because they didn't stay in line with the official story, they got reprimanded and or lost their license or what have you.

Brett Hawes: 36:10

So you know all that to say that I think that what the pandemic did was set this sort of stage for hey, we need to control things now, and this is why we're seeing so much censorship on not just the health side of things, but on all topics, right, and so the truth now is a heavily contested subject, right? People really want to know the truth, they want to know what's going on and that is being actively suppressed nowadays. Still, to this day, it's just absolutely frightening to this day, you know it's it's it's just absolutely frightening to this day with the work that we do. All right, we'll just keep it on health for the minute. To this day, I have yet to see a mainstream media article, a newspaper publication, a magazine publication on how you can support your immune system and your health to protect yourself from supposed pathogens and infections and whatnot. There's not one, you know. So it's kind of crazy. If you think about it, you know the only way out of this is a pharmaceutical option.

Brett Hawes: 37:15

Yeah, yeah, many of which are untested, you know. So this is anyway, I'll stop there, and then you tell me where you want to go from there.

Sandy Kruse: 37:23

Well, I think you set the stage for the conversation where we can go, because the fact is is that there were so many terms that were created out of the pandemic, and when I say terms, you're a conspiracy theorist. You are spreading falsehoods and, by the way, I am still getting censored on YouTube. I get notes from them saying the who doesn't support what your recording is about, and then, all of a sudden, I've got no views.

Sandy Kruse: 38:01

Recording is about, and then, all of a sudden, I've got no views Brett, and so then, I'm like, okay, well, you know, and I'm not telling anybody what to do, I'm simply saying here's something and nobody's saying that we are curing or healing or doing anything crazy. And even if we were, even if somebody did make that claim and they said I actually have patients who have benefited from this. I actually have a recording with somebody who has documented patients and they are a doctor, but they are not speaking the narrative.

Brett Hawes: 38:42

Right, yeah, well, so this is the problem. The problem is so first of all, the YouTube thing is only going to get worse. By the way, it's not getting any better because that's all changed very recently as well. But here's the thing. Okay, so how are we supposed to trust the experts who?

Sandy Kruse: 39:05

is the who? That's the question who is the who?

Brett Hawes: 39:10

Right, right, right. So let's think of this another way, right? And then I'm going to come back to this.

Sandy Kruse: 39:15

Okay.

Brett Hawes: 39:19

If we're dropped into the situation where we have this big, scary monster and, oh my gosh, no one knows what to do. We've never seen this before. This is unprecedented. You would think that if I was a leader and I really had the best interest of the people that I was serving as the leader, I would be throwing the kitchen sink at it. I'd be guys, let's just figure this out, anything, okay? So apparently, if you stand on your head and you look at the sun at midday like that's gonna help, cool, let's do it. Everyone, tell everyone to do it. Right, it wouldn't really matter what the thing is, so long as it worked to help people, to save lives, to protect people. But that is not what happened and it's still not happening.

Brett Hawes: 40:00

So then you, you have to wonder to yourself why is there such a push for narrative control? Okay, why is there such a push to control the truth, or to control what is perceived to be the truth? And once you follow the money and you follow the control up, that's where you start getting your answers. You know because, make no mistake, there's no solution. That's not. You start getting your answers. You know because, make no mistake, there's no solution. That's not a, that's not uh, provided by a drug company. There's no solution.

Brett Hawes: 40:27

So, and you know, as I said as I opened this podcast up, I mean, the drug companies are, um, a cornerstone of of the global economy, just like the automobile industry, you know. So they're not going anywhere. Um and uh, and, and you know, we, I don't want to get into, I don't even need to get into any of the more nefarious reasons. Suffice to say that this is about money, it's about power, it's about control. Is really what? What it's about? Okay, it's not about having your best interests at heart and protecting you, um, you know, we, it's becoming pretty obvious at this point and I think more and more people see it.

Sandy Kruse: 41:03

Like it's obvious to way more people now than back then. But I do believe that when you really instill fear in people because I've been there on the other side of a diagnosis and when you're scared a lot of times, when you work so hard to create that fear, people will just believe anything. If you say I'm going to take care of you, I'm going to make sure you're okay and you're scared shitless.

Brett Hawes: 41:35

Yeah.

Sandy Kruse: 41:36

Right Look you know.

Brett Hawes: 41:38

So this, let's just open things up a little bit more in the conversation, right? We're living in a time now where we are under what is called fifth generation warfare. Okay Now, fifth generation warfare um that, I don't want to get all military on people, given this as a health podcast, but you should. You should know what it is, because if you don't know what it is, you're probably being quite heavily influenced by it, and we all are right. And you know, fifth generation warfare involves a lot of psychological manipulation. There's a lot of information bombardment, right? So if you just look at the environment that we're in right now, what we're being presented with is constantly right. It's constantly two opposing views, and that's what we drop into public discourse every single time. It doesn't matter what the issue is. It must always be these people versus these people over here, okay, and then what you do is you overlay that with a ton of information both misinformation, disinformation, accurate information, information whatever and eventually, what you do if you keep on bombarding people like that is people get confused, right? One of the most common things that I'm hearing from people nowadays is they don't know what to believe. They don't know what to believe. So if you don't know what to believe, then guess what happens. You don't know what's true and you don't know what's not true. And if you keep on following that line long enough, what you need to do is you need to have someone tell you what the truth is, because you can't figure it out for yourself. And I get it right. I feel sorry for people that were dropped into all of this in the pandemic, because I have a 25-year on-r on ramp. I could see things pretty well right out the gate, what was happening, and that's why I started speaking about it early. But I I have a lot of sympathy for people where your core beliefs, your worldview, all of these things are being shattered and broken right now, and you're having to try and figure this out in the dark while we're in the super polarized environment. Right, it's crazy, but but you know when you understand this properly. What you also need to understand is you need to understand that there's been a multi-generational on-ramp to all of this, and what we've witnessed in the West is we've witnessed a process of ideological subversion, and what that means is that we slowly invert, invert reality. Okay, we slowly invert it. We slowly start telling you wait, hang on a second. You know, you guys all used to think that, uh, this color, red was red. Well, you know, it's actually. It's kind of pink. Now that that red that you thought, yeah, that's pink. So all the kids, now we're going to tell them that color is actually pink. Okay, eventually what's going to happen is the next general oh, it's not actually pink anymore. That color is actually starting to turn a little bit blue, right. And then you keep on going. And so if you look at the education system right and Canada is a prime example of this is when you look at the education system. I have three children. I have one that's a little bit older, two that are really young.

Brett Hawes: 44:38

Is this constant discussion around safety, okay, safety, safety, safety, safety. Don't cross the road, be safe, be safe. I've never seen safety like this. I've traveled all over the world. I've never seen safety like this, like I've seen it in Canada.

Brett Hawes: 44:54

Right, here's what happens when you constantly talk about safety, what you're actually doing is you're telling people that the world is not safe. And what you're also doing is you're saying, in order to keep you safe, you need an authority figure to keep you safe. Now, when you follow that line back three generations, four generations, and you watch what happens. Now you drop those people into this environment and guess what happens? I'm afraid the world is a scary place. I don't know fact from fiction, and I'm in this polarized, combative type of environment. Who's coming to save the day? It must be an authority figure, because that's what's actually been put in your mind for multiple generations. And, and what that does is it tees up.

Brett Hawes: 45:36

This whole situation, where people have lost their ability to think critically, is really what it is, and that's a very dangerous position for us all to be in, because as soon as you stick your head up above the parapet and you're the person that decides to go the the other direction, you're gonna have a whole bunch of people to go. Oh, hang on a second. The, the, the authorities, actually say something different to what you're saying, so so you're going against the herd. No good you know. And so it's not just the authorities and the police or whoever that we have to be concerned with here. We also have to consider that there's the mob mentality, that there's a population that will also come after you, so to speak.

Brett Hawes: 46:20

Dare, you speak out, and we saw that. I mean, that's what we saw in the last four years. You know I bore the brunt of that being on the front of it. I lost so many friends, I had my business website hacked twice. You know I had to come over the border and basically defy all orders, like it was traumatic, you know. I mean, let's not kid ourselves, but that's what it takes in this in this time, you know. But hopefully anyway, I mean I'm going to shut up right there, but I just hope that that kind of gives people maybe a bit of a deeper sense of what's going on behind the more obvious things that we're seeing out there.

Sandy Kruse: 46:54

And I will say I'm going to add to that. I actually have had so many conversations with people who said exactly what you said as it related to the pandemic and their way of thinking was not with the rest of the society and that they were shunned. They were cast out because of it, cast out because of it. So there was there's a lot of that these critical thinkers who still decided that whatever was being told to them, they weren't going to buy it. So I have to go back to who is the who?

Sandy Kruse: 47:34

Because, I think a lot of people. They just see CDC says this World Health Organization says this World Health Organization says this, so it must be true. So who are these people?

Brett Hawes: 47:46

Right? Well, you know. So, as you know, I've done a lot of work on this topic. I've been working and really keeping my ear to the ground with things like the international health regulations, the pandemic treaty, and I was in geneva in june of this year with some, you know, wonderful people, very influential people and very interesting people, and um, so, you know, when you spend enough time with these folks, you start to get a real good sense of, of um, the things that other people might not see publicly, right, you sort of you get a peek behind the curtain to see what's going on.

Brett Hawes: 48:23

And so I think, um, you know the, the who is simply right, the, the world health organization, is simply a meeting place. That's what it is. Right, it's a meeting place. And so this is why they are somewhat immune to the laws of the world, because they're just a meeting place. Right, they're not a country, they're not an elected body. Right, then, no one voted like, no one votes.

Brett Hawes: 48:49

Who's in the who? Right? So what it is is really a group of individuals. Um, some of them I mean they all come from member states, right, so a member state would say, hey, this is our person that we're sending over to the who they're going to be our representative, but the public themselves don't vote on who that representative is going to be. Okay, so the government in each nation basically says these are our representatives, or a representative, or what have you, and then off they go and they go to this meeting place.

Brett Hawes: 49:18

But, um, there's another part to this, and it's a very important part, is it's not just the representatives of those countries all sitting together going, hey, everyone, from a global perspective, what's the best way to combat heart disease and what's the best way to fight the next pandemic or whatever? Right, that's not what they do. Um, there's the other part of it, which is a better question to ask which, which is, who is funding the who? Okay, so that's a very, very important question. Now you will find that all of the member states themselves put in money. Okay, the US is the second or the first or second biggest donor, I forget at this moment in time, but they're one of the big donors. Okay, is the US? The other big donor is the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

Sandy Kruse: 50:06

Yeah, I've heard that, yep.

Brett Hawes: 50:07

Okay, that's no secret. There's nothing conspiratorial about that. He's pretty open about that, right. And so what you have is, alongside that, you have other organizations like that, which are typically called NGOs, right, so non-governmental organizations. These are often portrayed as quite philanthropic. So you know, we're here to just give away our billions of dollars and we're going to help the who, to save the people and protect everyone. But then what you find out is you also have behind them, is you will often find that there are drug companies, there are vaccine manufacturers, the manufacturers of all of the PPE, so your protective wear testing devices, etc. Etc. Right.

Brett Hawes: 50:52

And so what starts to emerge once you understand all of that is you can imagine you've got these NGO organizations like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, right. This is a very, very good example here. What they're doing, on the one hand, is they're saying, hey, we're going to give this money to the WHO and support you all to have these discussions right. On the other hand, what we have is we're also going to be funding the companies that will be in charge of producing what are called medical countermeasures. So we're going to be studying pathogens, we're going to be studying these infections and viruses, and what have you? We're also going to be manufacturing vaccinations to combat those viruses and pathogens. We're also going to be developing drugs. We're going to be selling PPE testing, etc. Etc.

Brett Hawes: 51:37

So what you have is you have the incentivized in many respects, and I can expand on this in a minute is is you have a situation where, hey, we can declare public health emergencies. Okay, at whim. I mean, just just look at what's happening with mpox right now in the congo. Have a look at what's happening with bird flu. Okay, I don't want to be debbie downer here, but I'm about to blow the lid on what's going on with bird flu on my own podcast this week. Because what's happening there is they're stockpiling bird flu vaccines. Why are they doing that? Right, they must know something. They're not just stockpiling them because and we just had a bird flu summit I mean, can you imagine you have a summit, right? A three-day summit on bird flu? Like summits don't just happen overnight. I mean, that's six to 12 months of planning to get all those people there.

Brett Hawes: 52:48

So the point is this is that when you look at the criteria in order to be able to declare what's called a fake, a PHEIC or a public health emergency of international concern. There's no real threshold, there's no real criteria. It's not like we're saying, okay, we need, you know, 5% of the population to be infected or anything like that. There's no threshold whatsoever. So you can basically say, hey, if we go out and we start testing now. This is very important If we go, we can declare an emergency.

Brett Hawes: 53:29

If we declare an emergency now, what happens is all of the WHO policies which all of the member states have agreed to. They all kick into gear and everyone turns to the WHO and says, "'hey, who, what should we do? "'because we just discovered this infectious agent. "'or what have you'". And the WHO says "'Oh, you should do all of these things right. "'here's the vaccinations that you need, here's the PPE, here's the testing that you need. And who profits from that? The NGOs and the companies in the background. They take those profits and what do they do? They turn some of it back over and they say here you go, who? Here's your funding? So what you actually have is you have a giant racket where they can declare public health emergencies.

Brett Hawes: 54:10

You know said this on my own show we are entering the age of pandemics right now. You know, how is it that you can have this once in a lifetime pandemic, and now suddenly we're going to see more of them. They're once in a lifetime, but now we're. They're all being teed up. You know, um, I just have a couple things to say and then I'm going to keep quiet.

Brett Hawes: 54:32

People need to realize the apparatus and the system here, and part of what's happened over the last six months is with the amendments to the international health regulations that were passed. What they're now doing is they're actually setting up these bio labs around the world, and what those labs do is those labs go out into the environment and elsewhere to go and find pathogens. This is happening in canada too. They're testing asymptomatic cows for bird flu. They're testing wastewater, they're testing milk. They want to test everything under the sun for bird flu. So you know, there's leaked video footage of public health openly speaking about this, and then we want to go and test people. This is irrespective of if you are sick or if anyone has died. The mere presence of this says that we can now kick into gear all of these who, policies and recommendations, and there you go, there's your next pandemic I was just going to ask you about the testing, so that I mean, that just happened, remember, during the pandemic.

Sandy Kruse: 55:34

That was the first time. Because I'm not obviously I don't, this isn't my expertise Totally. Yeah, I get it public wastewater to see how much of the virus is active. So what you're saying is they'll do that and that's just. It doesn't matter whether people are sick or not, they'll just-.

Brett Hawes: 56:02

It doesn't matter. No, it doesn't matter.

Sandy Kruse: 56:04

That's insane.

Brett Hawes: 56:05

So it's very crazy that people need to really start sinking into this and understanding what's happening. So there's an initiative called the One Health Initiative. Okay, this is the World Health Organization's One Health Initiative, and when you read between the lines, you know what is One Health. It sounds very, very altruistic on its face. You know, we need to make sure that health is not just, you know, the health of people, it's not just the health of you, sandy. We need to make sure that all the animals and the plants, and the ecosystem and the air and the water and everything. We need to make sure that everything is healthy, right, correct, 100%. Believe that.

Brett Hawes: 56:45

But here's the thing they don't tell you, or the thing that people gloss over, is how are you going to ensure that? Who? How are you going to ensure that? Who? How are you going to ensure that? Oh, we're going to monitor and track and surveil every single thing. That is where the wastewater comes in, that's where all of these things come in right. And so you can imagine, as you go out there and test, test, test, test, test, with bog test, with bogus tests, I might add, we can talk about that as well. That were tests where you're more likely to find something.

Brett Hawes: 57:20

If you stand to profit from these emergencies, then it is in your best interest to go out and find emergencies Right, and that's kind of where we're headed, you know. So you know, there's been a Marburg virus outbreak in Rwanda, there's MPOCs happening in the Congo and through Africa, which has been declared an emergency by the WHO. By the way, most people have kind of tuned out of the bird flu. They're like whatever, I'm just not going to comply and it's like okay, let's just see what happens. We've got an election happening right now and everyone is super distracted by that, which is fair enough. I get it.

Sandy Kruse: 58:00

It's an important election, but there's things that are going on in the background that most people are oblivious to. And that's just one of them so here's the ironic thing, and that's just one of who are not even medical like bill gates, not a doctor not at all, no, yet he holds so much power yep, exactly.

Brett Hawes: 58:41

And um, you know, I mean look, he's on the record like vaccines are a good investment. It's 20 to 1 return. Um, you know so. So it's like this is not. You know, I would. I would be less, um, what's the word? I might feel better about this if there was no profit motive. Right, if there's no profit motive, I could say, okay, cool, you guys are just, you know, pulling it out the bag. You're donating all of your money to really help us, blah, blah, blah. But as soon as there's a profit motive, as soon as there's money to be made off of emergencies, that's a whole different ballgame, right. And we can see that across the board right now, as you can see, with mass destabilization and chaos and all of these big scary narratives. You know the people that are coming in to supposedly save the day one, they profit from it and two, in many cases, they're actually creating the problems that they're trying to solve and then controlling exactly and then control the narrative so that you know, in case the cat gets out the bag.

Brett Hawes: 59:40

Um, well, you know, we, we can't have that right. That that's unfortunately where we're at right now. Um, and it's not uh, I don't want to say it's getting better um, although I will say that more people are waking up to what's going on. You know, that's why we're having this conversation.

Sandy Kruse: 59:56

Yeah, and I mean we briefly touched on this back when there was that whole convoy, the truckers convoy. There's a lot of talk still about wages being garnished and all kinds of things, when you know I don't know, like who's controlling the narrative there. You know from what I understood it was peaceful, but then you hear a totally different narrative and it's like who do I believe and why are these people's wages garnished?

Brett Hawes: 1:00:31

like who do I believe, and why are these people's wages garnished? Yeah, Well, I think let's not talk about that specifically.

Brett Hawes: 1:00:41

I think let's bring something else into the picture here and something that I've been talking about pretty relentlessly over the last. While I broke I don't want to say I broke the story, I kind of did I definitely lit a fire across Canada with the podcast that I did with a lawyer by the name of Lisa Myron and Lisa I got introduced to her through a mutual contact and they were like you should get her on your show and talk to her and I was like cool. So I contacted her and about six months ago I think it was was right before I went to Geneva, I think it was like in May or something like that I just kind of came across this and then I posted it and people got all upset and not in a bad way, they were just like what the hell? And then I kind of let it go and I never came back to it. But there's a bill in Canada right now called Bill C-293. And Bill C-293, I really encourage people if there's anything you take away from this podcast, please go and look up Bill C-293. And if you can just plug that particular episode in here, sandy, into your show notes, I would appreciate that, because people need to understand in the context of everything we've discussed right now. You need to understand what's going on in a canadian on a canadian level here.

Brett Hawes: 1:01:55

So what bill c-293 is is canada's pandemic prevention and preparedness act. Okay, this has been expedited, so it's actually now currently an active second reading in the senate. Someone just say that again for people, so that you got that. This is in second reading in the Senate, not in the House. It's already gone through the House. It's already moved all the way through. So there's basically two more readings. There's second and third, and then it's Royal Ascent and they revived that last week, so they started talking about it again. They had a 20-minute session about it. But what they're doing nowadays is they're actually sometimes doing second and third reading in in one day and then just passing these things right.

Brett Hawes: 1:02:39

So when you start looking at the um, this, this bill, what you start to see is you start to see that this is, in many instances, this is the WHO's one health initiative coming into Canada as law. Okay, and I'm saying this in a very I just want to skim the surface because we don't need to get into the weeds here. Go and listen to the podcast and you'll understand. We go through the bill line by line and you can understand it in more detail. Um, so what's interesting is is, for the longest time, you know when, when I started looking at the who and when I even when I was in geneva, you know I was speaking to people and I said how are they gonna bring this into into the member states? Like, like we, you know, do we have national sovereignty? I mean, that's a big topic of discussion like, do we have the power to self-govern? And everyone says yes, yes, yes, we do. And it's like okay. So in other words, if the WHO says these are the recommendations and you have to lock down and you have to do this or that, do our governments have to do that? Is it legally binding? And it turns out it's not.

Brett Hawes: 1:03:46

With C-293, what I discovered is that our regulatory agencies Health Canada, public Health Agency of Canada they have been tethered to something called the Pan-American Health Organization. Did you know that the Pan-American Health Organization existed? Have you heard of that before? Have you heard of PAHO? No, most people haven't. I didn't know until I looked into it, which was quite recently. So I'm like oh, wow, okay, so hang on. What is PAHO. What is this Pan American Health Organization? Well, guess what? It's the regional branch of the WHO. Our regulatory agencies have been taking their cues from paho.

Brett Hawes: 1:04:32

So now what happens is, as c293 comes into law, which is our pandemic prevention and preparedness act I sometimes get those mixed the the words mixed around um is there are things in there that should just like really, you know, you should just stop and pause for a moment. Things like land. Why are they talking so much about the land? Why are they talking so much about agriculture? Why are they talking so much about the food supply? Right, so, outside of just your obvious you know, hey, everyone's. You know, we've got this thing, uh, floating around the community and we need to do our best in terms of vaccines and ppe, whatever. Now suddenly it's like oh, hang on, we can acquire land, we can expropriate land. The animals are now a threat.

Brett Hawes: 1:05:21

So when you start reading between the lines on that bill, there's a sort of narrative that's driving all of this, which is climate change is the biggest driver of pandemics. Okay, yeah, so the harvard t chan school of medicine has basically said and, and they're taking their cues from elsewhere as well. Right, so? So you can see this conversation coming out now. Right, climate related health issues. Right, climate related health. They're actually funding now um 10 000 doctors in europe to study climate related health new doctors, right? Anyway, we won't talk about that. Suffice to say that there's this. There's a story now that's emerging like oh my gosh, climate change is the biggest driver of pandemics. Right, because the weather changes and all these things. So what that means is that anything that is a risk to climate change is, vis-a-vis, a risk to pandemics.

Brett Hawes: 1:06:18

What are some of the biggest drivers of climate change, according to what we're told? Deforestation. What is the biggest cause of deforestation? Food and agriculture, particularly animal agriculture. Right, and so you know. So when you start really unpacking it all, it's very crazy. It's an all-encompassing bill that lawyers and people that I've spoken to that understand that are like it is goodbye to national sovereignty in Canada if that becomes law, you know. So we're in some very treacherous territory right now.

Sandy Kruse: 1:06:58

So can I ask you, can I just go back to the whole one health part?

Brett Hawes: 1:07:02

Yeah, totally.

Sandy Kruse: 1:07:03

Make sure that I clarify this, the way that I remember hearing about this, the way that I remember hearing about this almost two years ago something like that. Is it true and you can clarify that? One health basically means that we treat the animals a certain way. We are unwell, there's a specific treatment for humans, which would be the pharmaceutical side, and it really kind of closes down that whole bio-individuality of treating people as individuals when they need help with their health. Does that make sense?

Brett Hawes: 1:07:49

Well, I think the pharmaceutical model doesn't really deal with bio-individuality at all.

Sandy Kruse: 1:07:54

No, they don't.

Brett Hawes: 1:07:55

No, you know, it's treating the disease versus the person, right. So it's like if we have disease X, then we need remedy Y and that's it, right, yeah.

Brett Hawes: 1:08:05

Yeah, so that side of things, I mean, I don't even think you need one health for that. Mean, just take a look at the medical system, right, it's like this is the disease, this is the treatment, and there you go. You know, that's it and that's what the book says. Um, I think some doctors might be a little bit more, um, they might think a little bit more holistically, but it's not, it's not standard practice, let's put it that way. Um, but I think you know, just just coming back to this idea of, um, everything should be taken care of, everything should be healthy, blah, blah, blah. Like that's not incorrect. I think the question that we need to ask is what is involved with that? What? What does that actually mean in reality? Like, it's a nice idea, a hundred percent, I think no one would would argue with that, right, but but what is required to do that? Right, because here's the thing.

Brett Hawes: 1:08:53

If I said, take a look at what's happening around canada. Right, they're, they're starting to bring these things in called wild lands. Okay, so they want to protect the environment by declaring things wild lands? Right, even where I live, they are, they've. I don't know if they're going to do it, but there's been talks of making a? Um, a small provincial park. Like I live in a town, it's 20 000 people. That provincial park comes up just by my, by my backyard, like so we're not talking about. Like there's the wild over there, there's the forest over there, and then the people live over here. We're talking about that park actually encroaching into where we live.

Brett Hawes: 1:09:35

So what I'm getting at is if, if the governments say we want to ensure that the land is healthy, guess what's going to happen? They need to manage that land. That's really what it's about. They need to manage that land, they need to manage the wild population. Go and have a look at what Chrystia Freeland did with the caribou out west. The same thing. Oh, this is where the caribou live. Guess what? We have to commandeer this land so that the caribou are safe. So I think that this is where we need to be careful. It's like it's all good and well to say, hey, we want a healthy environment and all the animals should be. Well, 100 agreed.

Brett Hawes: 1:10:12

But I think where the line gets crossed is does the government have to now come in and say, okay, everyone, you know, like all the people that are living in this provincial park, uh, you now oh, you're driving a car. Okay, you need an electric vehicle. You can't drive so much, you can't do this, you can't do that, you can't, you know. And now suddenly it's like okay, well, hang on a second. Like I didn't opt into that, you guys just declared a provincial park right on my back door. So this and this is happening you know, land use bylaws is a very real thing in canada. You know, I did a podcast on this about three years ago with with a community out in alberta. So so when they change the land use bylaws and they start manipulating everything around us, saying that the goal is to keep everyone healthy, what does that do to us in terms of our rights, freedoms, lifestyle, etc. And that's the slippery slope that I think people like myself are concerned about.

Sandy Kruse: 1:11:07

Of course, of course, and now you know there's more reason to question everything ever since the pandemic. That's why it's not. I mean, you're doing a to go back to the CDC, because how does that like? How does that relate to the WHO and who? I know the CDC is a government organization, but how are they connected?

Brett Hawes: 1:11:44

Well, so it's interesting and the lines are a little fuzzy, right. But first of all, the CDC is a for-profit company, so far as I know. I might be wrong on that, but the one thing I do know for certain is that they actually hold patents for vaccinations.

Sandy Kruse: 1:11:58

Oh.

Brett Hawes: 1:11:59

So that's nothing conspiratorial about that. You can go look it up. They own patents on vaccinations, so I'll leave you to decide how much of a conflict of interest that is, okay. But I think there's something else to consider here. The CDC is just one arm, right. I mean there's the NHS in the UK, there's Health Canada here in Canada, et cetera.

Brett Hawes: 1:12:22

And I think when you look at the power that the drug companies have on the global economy, okay and influence over policy, I mean, if you go to the us and you look at lobbyists, the pharmaceutical lobbyists outnumber all other lobbyists by two to one at least. Okay. So there's heavy, heavy lobbying going on with the drug companies, right. And so here's something that everyone should know that the leaked pfizer contracts for shots in Canada and in South Africa I don't know about anywhere else, but I'm going to suspect that these are carbon copies is when they have the contract. It shows very, very clearly that they did not know they actually had to sign off on safety and efficacy data, to say that there is no safety and efficacy data on these and they still rolled them out to market. So the question, the thing that there is no safety and efficacy data on these and they still rolled them out to market. So the question, the thing that concerns me more here, is yes, you have the CDC. Yes, we need a Health Canada. Yes, we need someone to kind of like, you know, control the science or the medicine, or whatever you want to call it.

Brett Hawes: 1:13:27

My concern is how much of that is being influenced by the drug companies. That is the question. How much of that is being influenced by the drug companies? That is the question. How much of that is being influenced by the drug companies? We've seen what's happened with drugs like Vioxx, for example. Like Vioxx, I mean, it was on the market for another two years after they knew that it was hurting and killing people. So why did they keep it on the market? Like, if these were the regulatory bodies, they would have just yanked them right off, you know. So as soon as they see safety signals, they should be removing these things from the market. And what we've now seen I mean, just take a look is I hate to say it, but with the COVID shots. I mean, the safety signals are off the charts and we're still recommending boosters at this late stage of the game yeah, we are yeah, yeah yeah, I mean, that's all.

Brett Hawes: 1:14:16

That's what's happening right now. This time of year, we're in the fall, we're coming into the winter. This is being recommended in alberta from children six months and up. It's uh, the cdc is pushing it for um 65 plus now in the us, and so on and so forth, and I I would just encourage people please go and spend some time on my podcast and just go and listen to some of the work I've done. I know we have a short time here to speak about these things, but I've done a lot of very, very deep research and I've got some very well-credentialed guests on my show to show you how these things are just like not safe and also how data has been manipulated, all these types of things. So you know I'm not just making this stuff up. We were, you know, we have the receipts in many respects.

Sandy Kruse: 1:14:59

Well, natural immunity over here for the win, right?

Brett Hawes: 1:15:02

now, because I just got over it yeah.

Sandy Kruse: 1:15:05

So, anyway, you know it's so funny because you might feel like shit for a while and I was laughing. I said this to I don't know, it was one of my friends. I'm like, yeah, you know, it felt kind of shitty second time around, but the bright side is that this is great for my immune system. Now, that's all. I'm speaking personally. These things make me happy because I'm like, okay, well, that's all I'm speaking personally. These things make me happy because I'm like, okay, well, now I'm good. I'm good. It actually makes my immune system more robust. But I'm not speaking for anybody else, I'm speaking for myself personally, sure, so, okay, I have to say one thing that I had heard and you know, maybe clarify, because you do do so much research and we are over an hour. I had heard that health Canada was about I don't know, 40, 50% funded by pharmaceutical companies back in about 2015. I know, I'm just giving you approximations. Now, it's like 90%. Does that make?

Brett Hawes: 1:16:15

sense Well, so, as anything right there's, the truth is somewhere in the middle, and there's some nuance to that, right.

Brett Hawes: 1:16:23

So I've put that in front of people that have worked within the agency, and they've said it's not 100% okay, and and again, it's difficult to actually tell. So I think what's important to understand is I'm I I want to be very cautious to say that I don't think that drug companies are writing checks to health canada, and I don't think that's what's going on right. Right, I'm sure there's some glad handing and backdoor stuff. I mean, that's been going on for a long time. You know, ferrari's left in the parking lot if you do as we ask, that kind of stuff, but I don't think on the books, right. What is happening, though, is you have what are called cost recovery fees, and cost recovery fees. These are exactly what we're seeing now in the natural health products industry the cost recovery fees that are put on the drug companies to operate industry, the cost recovery fees that are put on the drug companies to operate. So licensing fees, labeling fees, all these different fees the cost recovery fees have been going up as far as I know, and that is where a lot of Health Canada's funding is coming from. So that's where there's a little bit of nuance to that, and I I would argue, though, that there still is a conflict of interest, there still is a con, because what would happen if that 90 disappeared? Like would health canada? I mean, I?

Brett Hawes: 1:17:42

I encourage people to go and look up a guy by the name of dr shiv chopra. Um, shiv chopra wrote a great book called corrupt to the the Core. I got the pleasure of meeting Shiv shortly before his death, and he wrote a book. He was a veteran Health Canada scientist. He was one of their top people, and they said to him Shiv, take a look at the data on a number of different subjects, what do you recommend? And he said well, I recommend that we stop vaccinating animals. I recommend this, this and this, we stop using Roundup. And what did they do? They fired him, you know. So I think that it's, and he wrote an old book about it.

Brett Hawes: 1:18:14

So I think it's important to understand that, regardless of the subtleties of you know, are they funding them quote unquote or are they mostly receiving money through cost recovery fees? The point is, if you try and go against them and you try to do something that is not in their best interest, you're probably going to have a bit of a rough time. Okay, you know and this I think from a Canadian perspective. This is something that concerns me greatly is every single time we see the FDA or the CDC sign off something. You know, particularly the FDA they sign off on something and they go, oh, it's been approved.

Brett Hawes: 1:18:51

Literally two or three days later, health canada approves it, and I question whether health canada is actually doing their own research, their own, or like their own studies and their own checks and balances, or if they're simply saying, oh well, the fda and the drug company said it was good, so you know off we go and, um, we'll just sign off on that. You know, that's exactly what happened with the COVID shots. By the way, again, go and read the NCI commissioner's report. It lays it all out in painstaking detail. You know under oath, so yeah.

Sandy Kruse: 1:19:23

Before I let you go, we have to touch on Geneva, because when you were in Geneva, you can expand on it, but it was more of a worldwide conference 100%. We need to touch on that for sure, on what you learned. What's the take?

Brett Hawes: 1:19:39

Yeah, I mean, you know, I want to leave people with some kind of hope here. Okay, because I know we painted a pretty bleak picture, okay, okay, because I know we painted a pretty bleak picture, okay, but but being armed with information is really essential. And the right information. And knowing that I don't have it all figured out, I don't have all the answers right, but knowing that the road that we're going down, what are the solutions and what, what can we do here? Right and um, geneva was really really great and that's in the sense that, um, we got to compare notes, right. So you get to hang out with people from different parts of the world and it's like what's happening where you are? Have certain things worked where you are? And so, um, what sort of transpired in the wake of that is, I'm very well connected with different groups of people from iceland, from the netherlands, from australia, with lawyers, with doctors, with. So it's kind of cool to just be in the loop with what's working and what's not working and what's happening in other countries. And when you look at what's going on here in Canada, I know a lot of people are very, very Canadian focused. They're very politically focused right now with Trudeau and whatnot. And I think what people need to appreciate is this stuff is not localized to Canada. It's happening all over the world in different stages of development and different stages of rollout. It's happening everywhere.

Brett Hawes: 1:20:59

Okay, and I think one of the two big things that I think I want to leave people with is, first of all, know that there's a lot of people that are working to try and help us. I will put myself in that camp. That's what I'm doing. I don't make any money off my podcast. I have no sponsors, I have no affiliate products, nothing at all and I've done that for a reason and I will continue to do that as long as I can. So there's a lot of good people out there. There's a lot of good people that are working in the background. I'm. There's a lot of good people out there. There's a lot of good people that are working in the background. Okay, I'm not a front person, um, I'm in the background doing a lot of work.

Brett Hawes: 1:21:37

Um, the the other thing is, you know, and this is a real heavy question to grapple with is do we fight the system and try and take the system down, or do we build a parallel system? There's a lot of talk right now about parallel systems, right, and it's difficult because the parallel system, it's an overwhelming task. And I think that the third point I'll tack on here is that system does not have to be a global system, it doesn't have to be a national system, it doesn't have to be a provincial or state system. It can be a super, super local system. It doesn't have to be a national system, it doesn't have to be a provincial or state system. It can be a super, super local system. And I think that that is where I'm at right now is the antidote to globalism is localism.

Brett Hawes: 1:22:20

And once we start building our own communities up and we start strengthening those communities, we're in stage two of three right now, with a food co-op where I am, and so that's not just a food co-op where I am, and so that's not just a food co-op where, hey, we'll go down to the farmer's market and everyone is welcome, that's a food co-op. For, you know, if shit really hits the fan and we suddenly need a digital ID to go to the grocery store or what have you, which is not off the cards, we want to be connected with farmers and our community who have decided that we're not opting into that, that there's a line in the sand and we're not going to cross that line period. And so when you surround yourself with those types of people, now you have a parallel system of like-minded people and you're all on the same page. So the food co-op is one thing, I think, a parallel medical system, which I floated, a healthcare system it's a much bigger undertaking. So we haven't as healthy as possible, right then, as vital as possible, as a hundred percent as possible. So that way you actually ensured that you didn't really need the current system, right. So you starve it out in that sense, and you know you can kind of keep going from there.

Brett Hawes: 1:23:50

Um, there's a, a guest friend I don't know what you would call her um, maggie, uh, maggie braun, who's done some fantastic work at the local level, and so, um, you know, I think we're very much in alignment in the sense that go and speak to your local councils. Okay, we're not going to shout at Justin Trudeau on social media and tag him and he's going to go. Okay, everyone, I've had a complete change of mind. It's like that's not going to happen, right. The way that we do this is we have to say to our local councils and our local town councils, city councils, whatever. We are not going to stand for this End of conversation. We're not going to stand for it. We're the voters, we're the constituents here, and if you don't want to play ball here, then one, I'm going to go on the town council. Okay, I'm interviewing an australian counselor who's done some fantastic work where he is. We're actually going to become the council. Right, we're going to become the institutions and we're going to take you guys over. You know that's how we do and I think, from a local perspective, that is the way to do it, because you're not trying to eat the whole elephant, you're just taking one bite at a time and it's more manageable for people.

Brett Hawes: 1:25:01

And Canada is such a big country, it's huge. Everyone goes. Oh my gosh, I can't believe we only got 10,000 or 15,000 people out to a protest and it's like dude, there's 40 million people spread out over like one of the biggest land masses in the world. You're not going to get those numbers, you know. It's not like london or or paris or whatever, where everyone is high concentration. Yeah, so you know. So I think. I think that is why we have to even look at the approach that we take here in canada is a very decentralized kind of approach where we have to work smart. You know, the trucker convoy was a moment, you know I mean I don't even know how many people were there, it was jam-packed, but that is unprecedented in Canadian history and I think that asking people to do that kind of stuff all the time it's not practical, you know. So we need to take this to the local level.

Sandy Kruse: 1:25:53

And I think that's the way that we're going to hopefully turn some of this around. I like that. I like how you do your research. You get all of the information, you get as much data as you can and then there's potential solutions, because people find a lot of this information scary Totally. I get it.

Brett Hawes: 1:26:16

I get it it is. You know it's overwhelming, like I mean, make no mistake, it's overwhelming Like I. Just I guess I'm a different kind of person where I have the ability like. This is what's made me a good teacher I can take very complex topics, I can digest a lot of information and I can explain it to people in a way that they understand. You know, that's what a lot of my students have said over the years of teaching and I feel like, even with this, you know, because I have such a long on-ramp, you know I haven't been looking at this for four years, I've been looking at it for 25 years, and so a lot of the things that I draw on now it's like oh my gosh, like wow, those things from 20 years ago when I was a young guy.

Brett Hawes: 1:26:59

Now it's like holy smokes, it actually is fitting in to the picture that we're seeing right now, you know. So I also think I, just before we wrap up, you know I I don't have any like ulterior motives or agendas here. Like I, I just like I'm here doing this work because I feel so strongly about it and it's for the future of my children and these types of things. I could care less about who clicks and watches my stuff or anything like that. As I said, you know, the, the work for any activists or anyone listening to this, the, the work that we do right, the, the content that we consume, the information we consume, the things that we start to understand, must also be balanced with action, and we have to act on it.

Brett Hawes: 1:27:38

We have to do something as well. Just shouting into the ether and posting online and getting upset about things yeah, it's important to do that if you want, but it's not really going to solve anything. What's going to solve things is getting involved, and people are, and I'm not talking about going out and voting right, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about getting involved like boots on the ground, going and speaking to your elected officials and telling them that you're not okay with this. You know, and if all of us do that, guess what? All they care about is getting voted in again. That's all they care about. They don't really care about much else, you know.

Sandy Kruse: 1:28:13

Yeah, yeah. I mean I had a great conversation with my MP and you know it was so interesting because as soon as I had the discussion with her and I wasn't yelling at her and I wasn't giving her how, we were just having a conversation, she's like, you know, I really appreciate that you didn't meet me with aggression and anger, and we just had a good talk. And she's like, oh, and you know, it was just such a nice conversation. And then she's like I hear you, I understand where you're coming from. So you know, having these discussions with your MP, I think is important.

Brett Hawes: 1:28:58

Yeah Well, look, you know, I think the other thing it's I don't want people to think like, look, I don't have a lot of faith and trust in politics and politicians, and it's not because of the people, necessarily, it's because of the machine itself. And so I think that when you look at your mps and your local town counselors and stuff, these people have no clue a lot of the time that this stuff is even going on. They have no idea because they're listening from, you know, to mrs jones down the street, who's like I want a stop sign at the end of my street. You know what I mean and like so, so, um, especially, I live in a small town, so the small town they're dealing with day-to-day stuff they're dealing with. You know, should we update the playground because there's been a bunch of parents complaining and stuff like that? They're not thinking about friggin one health agenda and all sorts of other craziness. You know, they don't know.

Brett Hawes: 1:29:47

And so I think that you know you're you're right, like when you approach the conversation not from a combative perspective but more from an educational perspective and say, listen, I got some stuff that I'm concerned about and I think you should know about, like, can we talk and what's what we've seen is that a lot of those, a lot of the politicians, become quite receptive because they're like holy smokes. I didn't know that and and B, now that I know that, like holy smokes, I also have kids, I also have you know. So they're not immune aside from, maybe, the upper echelon Like they're not immune from the issues that we're talking about here either.

Sandy Kruse: 1:30:24

Yeah or oh, I love my naturopath doctor, or you know what I'm saying? Totally, Totally.

Brett Hawes: 1:30:31

Yeah, naturopath, doctor or, or you know what I'm saying. Totally, totally, yeah, I mean, we've had a whole bunch of mps that, um, you know, they they use natural health to take care of themselves and their family and they're like, now that I understand this, this is really not a good thing because I'm gonna lose access, my family's gonna lose access to, to these things, you know, or or whatever. So, um, you know, I think approaching it from a more human perspective, as opposed to you know, or whatever, so you know, I think approaching it from a more human perspective, as opposed to you know, all politicians are crooked and they're all in on the game, kind of thing Like that's not, it's not a constructive conversation, you know.

Sandy Kruse: 1:31:00

Yeah, I agree, I agree. So this has been just. You are a wealth of information, brett. I love chatting with you. You're such a great speaker and just so well-educated. I want to thank you for coming and I want to. Where would you like people to find you? I know you're on Substack, but do you know everything else?

Brett Hawes: 1:31:24

Yeah, pretty much my home's right now, where I'm navigating things without being persecuted too heavily. Really, substack has been very friendly to me. It's it's a newer platform for me, so you can just check that out onwardpodsubstackcom and just look up onward and you'll probably find me, and then Instagram as well. So Instagram is is really really busy these days, but I'm finding that I'm getting a lot of traffic there because people are really, you know, people are trying to make sense of the world around them and I'm not, you know, I'm not trying to be inflammatory, I'm just presenting things and having the conversation that people are having. That's all you know. So Instagram and Substack probably the two best places. Everywhere else is kind of dormant or redundant because I've either been kicked off or I'm shadow banned, so I just don't bother anymore, okay.

Sandy Kruse: 1:32:16

So I think on Instagram you're the Brett Haas. Yeah, that's right I said it right didn't I Did.

Brett Hawes: 1:32:23

I say it right, you did yeah, yeah you did, I got it, I got it.

Sandy Kruse: 1:32:26

finally, awesome, all right.

Brett Hawes: 1:32:27

Got it finally.

Sandy Kruse: 1:32:27

Awesome, awesome, all right thank you so much, brett, I appreciate you so much.

Brett Hawes: 1:32:32

Thank you, and likewise thanks for having me on.

Sandy Kruse: 1:32:38

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